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THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries
christiantruth.com ^ | William Webster

Posted on 09/27/2014 11:05:41 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: caww
Prayer to the idol Mother Earth:
"...O Goddess Mother of us all, We thank You as Your blessings fall Upon us - each and every soul - As the year wheel turns and rolls. ...For nourishing our bodies and Our spirits with Your gifts from the land.... For your abundance on the Earth.... We give you thanks with love and mirth"....

Hail Mary:
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with, Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of the womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.

The first claims that the gifts are from "Mother Earth". With the Hail Mary, what is the action the person is requesting? That Mary pray for us, not give us something, but to pray for us. This implicitly acknowledges that there exists a being greater than Mary (one prays up, not down or sideways).
561 posted on 09/28/2014 6:37:28 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: CynicalBear
..."The last resort use personal insults".... Like little kids trying to play in a clean sandbox who want to throw dirt.


562 posted on 09/28/2014 6:38:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
Some of your early popes said the assumption of Mary was heresy.

Where do any Popes state that it is heresy to believe the Assumption? Keep in mind this must be a condemnation specifically of the Assumption. If it is a condemnation of a group, keep in mind that would mean the Church can't teach that Christ was crucified, as the Arians believed this (their problem was in denying the divinity of Christ).
563 posted on 09/28/2014 6:40:17 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: CynicalBear

Why do you pretend to understand Catholicism when you clearly do not?


565 posted on 09/28/2014 6:41:06 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: mlizzy; narses; metmom; caww; CynicalBear; boatbums
disdain with which you post is frankly just infantile posing

RE: “Infantile Posing”

Then there's “infantile POSTING” which includes posting the same silly, moronic pictures to compensate for a profound lack of any actual debating skills.

Come on, respond with a silly picture and prove my point to everyone.

566 posted on 09/28/2014 6:41:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; Gamecock; mlizzy; narses; caww

Like whether or not you have to be a member of the CC to be saved.


They seem quite smitten with the Islamics, lately.


567 posted on 09/28/2014 6:43:52 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear

Yes, and as related by Hislop in his book, ‘The Two Babylons’.


568 posted on 09/28/2014 6:43:57 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: caww

Another skull to smootch.

Oh joy.


569 posted on 09/28/2014 6:44:47 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; CynicalBear

At some point we need to get back to the question they’ve been dodging...and sooo apparently so.

Now about the assumption of Mary...they need to at least attempt to show us the evidence...and there’s none so far given that even remotely “points” to this. Certainly Jesus said nothing about it.


570 posted on 09/28/2014 6:46:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.


1 Corinthians 12:27
Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.


Yup; Someone is FAILING TO DISCERN all right!

571 posted on 09/28/2014 6:47:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses; Gamecock; CynicalBear; metmom; caww

“One Trick Pony?”

That’s a mighty accurate description of your behavior, Narses.

I’m still waiting for my Bear on a Unicycle. The Bear really ought to wear a hat.


572 posted on 09/28/2014 6:50:06 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

ROFL! You bad


573 posted on 09/28/2014 6:51:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Are you admitting then that both are giving homage to their deity by praying before their statue?


574 posted on 09/28/2014 6:51:29 PM PDT by caww
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To: LurkingSince'98

...”words to a faithful Catholic are demeaning and insulting to their faith.”....

Then defend it. Simple.


575 posted on 09/28/2014 6:54:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: ronnietherocket3; caww
>>That Mary pray for us, not give us something, but to pray for us.<<

Yeah right. How many times do I have to post Marian prayers that prove that statement false?

576 posted on 09/28/2014 6:54:28 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww

History of the belief

Although the Assumption (Latin: assumptio, “a taking”) was only relatively recently defined as infallible dogma by the Catholic Church, and in spite of a statement by Saint Epiphanius of Salamis in AD 377 that no one knew whether Mary had died or not,[7] apocryphal accounts of the assumption of Mary into heaven have circulated since at least the 4th century. The Catholic Church itself interprets chapter 12 of the Book of Revelation as referring to it.[8][9][10][11] Probably composed by the 4th century, this Christian apocryphal narrative may be as early as the 3rd century. Also quite early are the very different traditions of the “Six Books” Dormition narratives.[12] The earliest versions of this apocryphon are preserved by several Syriac manuscripts of the 5th and 6th centuries, although the text itself probably belongs to the 4th century.[13][14][15]

Later apocrypha based on these earlier texts include the De Obitu S. Dominae,[16] attributed to St. John, a work probably from around the turn of the 6th century that is a summary of the “Six Books” narrative. The story also appears in De Transitu Virginis,[17] a late 5th century work ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis that presents a theologically redacted summary of the traditions in the Liber Requiei Mariae. The Transitus Mariae tells the story of the apostles being transported by white clouds to the deathbed of Mary, each from the town where he was preaching at the hour. The Decretum Gelasianum in the 490s declared some transitus Mariae literature apocryphal.

An Armenian letter attributed to Dionysus the Areopagite also mentions the event, although this is a much later work, written sometime after the 6th century. John of Damascus, from this period, is the first church authority to advocate the doctrine under his own name. His contemporaries, Gregory of Tours and Modestus of Jerusalem, helped promote the concept to the wider church.

In some versions of the story the event is said to have taken place in Ephesus, in the House of the Virgin Mary, although this is a much more recent and localized tradition. The earliest traditions all locate the end of Mary’s life in Jerusalem (see “Mary’s Tomb”). By the 7th century a variation emerged, according to which one of the apostles, often identified as St Thomas, was not present at the death of Mary, but his late arrival precipitates a reopening of Mary’s tomb, which is found to be empty except for her grave clothes. In a later tradition, Mary drops her girdle down to the apostle from heaven as testament to the event.[18] This incident is depicted in many later paintings of the Assumption.

here are a few sources from 3rd to the 7th centuries.

please quote protestant texts from the 3rd to 7th centuries that say Mary was not assumed into to heaven.

For the Greater Glory of God


577 posted on 09/28/2014 6:55:06 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GODs)
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To: narses; CynicalBear

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


...and Mary was cool with all of this; I mean it was cleared through her first, right?


578 posted on 09/28/2014 6:55:10 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: G Larry

What? The Catholic Church doesn’t require you believe the assumption of Mary? If not what does dogma mean?


579 posted on 09/28/2014 6:57:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: narses

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580 posted on 09/28/2014 6:58:03 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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