Posted on 09/27/2014 11:05:41 AM PDT by Gamecock
well...let’s here it..
.I already know the pope decided to make it so ...but that was in 1950?....Rather late late in the game.... What happened to all the centuries before...moreso what did Jesus have to say about this?
metmom
you realize that no matter how much we discuss this I will state that you are wrong and I am right and you will state that I am wrong and you are right.
I will agree with you that can only be one who is right.
As for me I’m sticking with the Church of my birth no matter what you say or do.
And yes I believe that there is no salvation outside the Catholic as evidence by the Athanasian Creed that us Catholics have been saying for 1400 years.
“Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Essence of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Essence of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood by God. One altogether; not by confusion of Essence; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living[16] and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.
Now you can just believe anything you want Im sticking with my faith and Creed.
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
the thread YET?
We don't need a Protestant source. We have Catholic sources.
Right here in this thread that gamecock posted, two of your early popes declared that the assumption of Mary was heresy.
That means that they both did not believe that it happened and they taught that it didn't happen.
Read the thread. There is no need for me to repost the comments.
Let's try some easy math:
There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
If merely 1% of them 'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
Purty good fer someone NOT 'devine'!
At least you 'believe' it and do not claim to 'know' it.
Elsie
is that you the one trick ‘cut and paste pony’ calling a ‘cut and paster’ to task?
wow
I really suspect some RCs believe they obtain an indulgence of time off their future in mythical purgatory for every post they make in defense of Rome, no matter how spammy or vacuous.
but I like making it personal with folks who insult Catholics with their bile.
Oh?
You manage to miss #236?
Read it and get back to us...
Probably just a hold over from my Catholic upbringing.
I'm still working on getting free of it.
....” if Catholics deny the teachings by Catholicism about Mary, they are sent to hell. Out of the Catholic belief system, period”....
Now that I didn’t know.....so they have ‘no choice’ to speak candidly about this without appearing they could be denying it?...
Was that a yes or a no?
You’re still whining...
Did you read the article that gamecock posted that you are posting on?
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