THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries

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[LurkingSince'98]

....” if Catholics deny the teachings by Catholicism about Mary,...”

No, if Catholics deny the teachings by Catholicism about Mary they are called protestants.

Buy a clue.

[metmom]

Fine.

I’ll stick with Jesus.

I guess we’ll find out in the end who made the wiser decision.

You can’t say you weren’t warned.

[mlizzy]

Was that a yes or a no?

Ha! I'm still praying, Elsie. Give me another hour.... :)

[LurkingSince'98]

your not Catholic are you cause if you were you would recognize the insults to Catholics that are a regular occurrence here.

[Elsie]

At least I have a bit of variety in my posts; while YOUR fellow traveler appears to have to keep on repeating himself...

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Matthew 6:7
“But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”

[daniel1212]

Give Narses a break. Not everyone can formulate an articulate and rational argument.

We should start a foundation to help those who can only respond with repetitive postings of meaningless pictures and inane babble.

Or texts that do not support what they are enlisted for, but can only be allowed to support Rome. . It is an admission that do not have a valid argument,

[Elsie]

but I like making it personal with folks who insult Catholics with their bile.

HMMMmmm...

An example of that birds of a feather thingy...

[Elsie]

Can you explain the physics of heaven or of a resurrected body?

1 Corinthians 2:9

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

[Iscool]

and I’m supposed to defend my belief to your proty satisfaction?

Nope...Nobody cares what you believe...But when you go on a public site and claim yours is the one true church and that church claims you will not reach heaven if you do not believe the mother of Jesus ascended without dying and sits next to God, you're going to get hammered with God's scriptures and with demands that you show some evidence to your claims...

It been posted on this thread with documented information how the early church father rejected the idea of the ascension of Mary's body up until about the time the first pope was created, hundreds of years after the creation of the church...

The best you can honestly say is, 'my religion teaches that Mary bodily ascended to heaven without first dying, and I hope to God my church guessed correctly'...

[ronnietherocket3]

Rome is on HOW many hills?

Rome is on 7 hills; however, this does not disprove the Assumption. It is the RCC position that through the Church, God defeated the Roman empire.

What wild place did Mary FLEE to?

Egypt

When did Mary's wings fall off?

Does it say they did? Perhaps our statues/paintings have error in them. However, statues and paintings are not dogmas.

What are the names of the REST of Mary's CHILDREN?

The claim that Mary has other children does not disprove the Perpetual Virginity. It is the Catholic position that she is the Mother of all Christians. What would either disprove this woman is Mary or the Perpetual Virginity is a description that she bore the children from her womb. This passage only describes one child as being born of her womb.

[mlizzy]

You’re still whining...

Now I'm a whiner? Care to add more?

[Elsie]

No, if Catholics deny the teachings by Catholicism about Mary they are called protestants.

And they receive a great blessing for that!

[boatbums]

So Jesus sent humans to teach, I don't see anything about Scripture here.

Here are just a few places (there are many more):

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. (I John 2:20-21)

Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles. (2 Peter 3:1-2)

We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 1:19-21)

just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness (2 Peter 3:15-17)

For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. (Romans 15:4)

And that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:15-17)

The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29)

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. (2 Thess. 3:14,15)

Jesus sent humans to teach the truth as He revealed it to them. You will find all throughout the Bible admonitions to hear, obey, study, know, teach and edify people through the ONLY resource we have that is 100% the Divinely-inspired word of God. Heaven and earth - and people - will pass away, but the word of our God never passes away.

[Elsie]

You call on your lady to get Jesus' attention; right?

Perhaps she's pursuing...

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[daniel1212]

Certainly, she can intercede for us. However, this in no way establishes any Catholic belief that all doctrines and dogmas must be cleared with her first.

If not, it could be taught under the same principal used in uncensored Catholic teaching for Mary by which she is exalted as

• an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

• whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

• who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

• and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

• and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

• for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

• "surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

• so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

• and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

• for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

• Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

• and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

• including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

• whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

• and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

• and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more .