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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: ronnietherocket3
The point of Purgatory is not forgiveness, but purification.

How does that work?


361 posted on 10/05/2014 1:14:02 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NKP_Vet

Are ALL Catholics this smug and selfassured?


362 posted on 10/05/2014 1:14:53 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
>>Nothing in Scripture condemns the Catholic Church or the Catholic faith.<<

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Then please provide an infallible source that shows the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. If you can't we must believe as scripture states.

363 posted on 10/05/2014 1:15:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
That's why Jesus said to those who reject the authority of His Church, "if he will not listen to the Church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."

I hate to toss out the yellow CONTEXT foul flag; but... here it is:

Matthew 18:15-17 “Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that ‘in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church; but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

Do you REALLY want to try to use this verse to JUSTIFY obeying YOUR chosen religion??

To reject the Authority of Christ's Church is to reject the Authority of Christ.


364 posted on 10/05/2014 1:20:01 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

“Then please provide an infallible source that shows the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. If you can’t we must believe as scripture states.”

Then please provide a verse from scripture alone that shows Matthew’s gospel is inspired. If you can’t, we must rely on what the Church states.


365 posted on 10/05/2014 1:20:52 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
P>

To reject the Authority of Christ's Church is to reject the Authority of Christ.




Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

366 posted on 10/05/2014 1:21:15 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To reject the Authority of ROME's Church is to ...

...exercise discernment.

367 posted on 10/05/2014 1:22:17 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ronnietherocket3; editor-surveyor
Given that Matthew was likely written to the Jews and that Hebrews was specifically addressed to the Jews, an argument that those two books were written in Hebrew or Aramaic is reasonable. The problem with the rest of the NT being written in Hebrew is that they are all addressed to Gentile audiences, who would not speak Hebrew. It would be very odd for Jesus to ordain Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles if he spoke little Greek.

Good points.

We have ALL the New Testament books in Hebrew today as translations but there is no concrete evidence that they were originally written in that language. Jews in Palestine spoke Koine Greek because it was the common tongue (lingua franca) at that time. For two hundred years before Christ was born, the Old Testament had already been translated in Greek especially for that reason.

The argument ES keeps trying to make is that Christians have somehow been cheated out of knowing what the Christian New Testament books originally said, but we HAVE manuscript copies IN Greek that can be dated as early as the second and third centuries (i.e.; Chester Beatty Papyri) and they are accurate. I reject the idea that God was somehow thwarted by fallible humans in preserving and protecting His holy word. What the Bible tells us today is no different than what the first Christians were taught. To insist that isn't true is just another attempt to cast doubt upon the Word of God.

368 posted on 10/05/2014 1:25:46 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex
The Holy Ghost:
...from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.


The Church based in Rome:
...from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures (as explained by the CC), as well as our church TRADITIONS, which can instruct thee to CONFIRMATION, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus' Mother; Mary:Queen of Heaven and Co-Redemtrix.

369 posted on 10/05/2014 1:26:48 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998

If you can’t show the apostles taught the assumption of Mary and thus the Catholic Church is accursed just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.


370 posted on 10/05/2014 1:28:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie
Are ALL Catholics this smug and selfassured?

I guess it's hard for some people to see how they come across. Some people don't even realize that they're name-calling.

371 posted on 10/05/2014 1:29:26 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: boatbums
>>To insist that isn't true is just another attempt to cast doubt upon the Word of God.<<

Thus Satanic in origin.

372 posted on 10/05/2014 1:31:54 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NKP_Vet; BlueDragon
The Catholic Church came before the gospels. End of subject. Move on.

Wishful thinking isn't proof. All of the gospels were written mid to late FIRST century, were copied, distributed, read and studied by the early Christians. The word "catholic", meaning "of the whole" or "universal" wasn't even used as an adjective to describe the Christian faith until the SECOND century.

The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_term_%22Catholic%22)

I know that Roman Catholics think they are the ORIGINAL Christians and that they OWN the word "catholic" or even Christian, but they are wrong. Those who know Jesus as Savior and Lord are part of His church, his bride, His spiritual house, no matter what "church" they choose to worship together in.

373 posted on 10/05/2014 1:41:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; verga; metmom; CynicalBear; caww
Forgiveness of our sins and consequences for our actions are two different things. It is because of God's mercy that we are not consumed.
374 posted on 10/05/2014 1:44:19 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: CynicalBear

“If you can’t show the apostles taught the assumption of Mary and thus the Catholic Church is accursed just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.”

If you can’t show the apostles taught Matthew’s gospel is inspired and thus all Christian groups are accursed for believing it according to your claim just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.


375 posted on 10/05/2014 1:45:32 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: narses
This will settle the whole integrity issue for all to see.

What?

You wuz expectin' a box of WINE?

376 posted on 10/05/2014 1:48:40 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

For Catholics tradition trumps Scripture.

We’ve shown them time and again verses from Scripture that demonstrate that sola Scriptura has a Scriptural base but they simply do not believe that the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired word of God is adequate.

They’ve fallen for the lie that Satan trapped Eve with. *Did God REALLY say.....?*

Impugning the Word of God is the only weapon the enemy has and it’s amazing that He is still getting mileage out of it even today.

There is no convincing someone who doesn’t think Scripture is enough. They are so far in the depths of deception that without the Holy Spirit opening their eyes, there’s no hope for them.


377 posted on 10/05/2014 1:50:40 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: narses
 
 

Pope Stephen VI , Pope John XII , Pope Benedict IX , Pope Boniface VIII , Pope Urban VI , Pope Alexander VI , Pope Leo X , Pope Clement VII

 

Integrity!

 

Boy do we have it!!

 

 

378 posted on 10/05/2014 1:51:47 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
Nothing in Scripture condemns the Catholic Church or the Catholic faith. For a Protestant to say so is simply to make something up.

Nothing in Scripture condemns the Protestants or the Protestant faith. For a Catholic to say so is simply to make something up and claim it's their football.

379 posted on 10/05/2014 1:53:14 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

The whole discussion about cutting yourself for the dead began because someone with precious little knowledge of Scripture claimed that the Bible did not prohibit cutting oneself for the dead.


380 posted on 10/05/2014 1:54:00 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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