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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Elsie

Someone used WITNESS in all caps... While you might deny that the story of Susanna is not scriptural... You can’t deny that her story demonstrates how witnesses are not always reliable.


801 posted on 10/07/2014 6:18:23 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Elsie

the early bird gets the cornflakes.

802 posted on 10/07/2014 6:22:11 AM PDT by BlueDragon (...they murdered some of them bums...for thinking wrong thoughts)
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To: boatbums
>>Are these ALSO inspired by God in your view or is it only the redacted version the Council of Trent came up with?<<

Wait, the Catholic Church threw out books? How utterly Luther of them!

803 posted on 10/07/2014 6:26:39 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: redleghunter

“Sure it is. The entire premise is equivocation.”

Your comment makes no sense.

“In one hand your cohorts appeal to post 70AD Jewish oral law and ignore the tradition that written Torah was always authoritative.”

False. We never ignore the standing of the Torah. What we don’t do is give it a standing it never had - as is necessitated by the false and heretical doctrine of sola scriptura.


804 posted on 10/07/2014 6:26:47 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: rwilson99
>>So when the angel Gabriel says ‘do not be afraid’ that was just redundant?<<

Redundant? Absolutely not. If an angel of God says "do not be afraid" one would think it would give a sense of security.

805 posted on 10/07/2014 6:40:23 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: rwilson99
They are not dead.

Every believer has eternal life within them even as they live out their days on the earth. But I buried my brother. His soul and spirit are guaranteed eternal life for his faith in Jesus. But his physical death puts him beyond talking to. God can address him. Not me. And he would heartily agree. We wait for the resurrection. We can talk then. And we'll have a lot to talk about. Like perhaps the time someone tried to use John 3:16 to deny Hebrews 9:27 in order to justify disobeying God's explicit directions to avoid talking to those who have passed on. He will probably think I am kidding him, because it will, in that day, seem so ridiculous as to be impossible it ever happened.

Peace,

SR

806 posted on 10/07/2014 6:44:15 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: rwilson99; Springfield Reformer
The Greek word in John 3:16 isapollumi which means to utterly perish. So your use of that verse doesn't work. Besides, if Catholics think they are all alive would you please explain this?

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

807 posted on 10/07/2014 7:48:55 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: BlueDragon; daniel1212
...why continue to bring this same sort of half-baked nonsense to FR? About the only good it does is to possibly allow those not otherwise exposed to issues of formation of canon (of Scripture) to be better able to make determinations as to the matters...and in the end, expose claims made by the RCC as to it's own magesterial infallibility to be ridiculous... Is that your aim? Are you Alex Murphy in disguise?

I've been test-marketing a take-home version for some time now. I see one of my many landlords has managed to acquire one....


808 posted on 10/07/2014 8:01:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: CynicalBear
The Greek word in John 3:16 isapollumi which means to utterly perish. So your use of that verse doesn't work.

Nice catch. I didn't even think to look at that.

809 posted on 10/07/2014 8:08:54 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I have found that checking the original Greek or Hebrew is paramount when dealing with religionists. The Catholic religion when it actually relies on scripture relies on the Latin interpretation which has many gross errors inherent.


810 posted on 10/07/2014 8:20:43 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: rwilson99
That denies our free will... Would you apply the same standard to Eve?

We don't have free will. We're slaves to sin.

Adam and Eve had as close to free will as any because they were sinless.

Once sin entered the world, that option was lost.

811 posted on 10/07/2014 9:32:36 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwilson99; Springfield Reformer
Check out post #806

You can change your tagline to "I now understand John 3:16"

812 posted on 10/07/2014 9:56:18 AM PDT by Syncro (The Body of Christ [His church]: Made up of every born again Christian. Source--Jesus in the Bible)
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To: metmom

Would a profession of faith, sinner’s prayer or act of contrition qualify as an act of free will?


813 posted on 10/07/2014 10:04:14 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Syncro

If I’m not mistaken... just as there was a change in the covenant between God and Man between Genesis and Hebrews... there were also some substantial changes between Hebrews and John.

Hint: It involves a new Eve and a new Ark of the Covenant.

Another big change involves John 6.


814 posted on 10/07/2014 10:08:17 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: CynicalBear

And why is the term ‘dead in Christ’ used?

Perhaps, because it refers to the reality that believers have simply ‘fallen asleep.’

1 Thessalonians 4:15

Are the dead in Adam ever referred to as having ‘fallen asleep?’

Please check the Greek and let me know.


815 posted on 10/07/2014 10:19:04 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99
So you don't understand John 3:16 fully yet?

Didja read the link I posted to you?

Got an explanation for your mysterious “hint?”

Or are you just being coy?

If I’m not mistaken

Hard to tell, your post was so cryptic with really no answers.

816 posted on 10/07/2014 10:34:57 AM PDT by Syncro (The Body of Christ [His church]: Made up of every born again Christian. Source--Jesus in the Bible)
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To: Syncro

Why is the Greek term for ‘fallen asleep’ not used for those who are not believers?

Could there be a difference between the state of those who are dead in sin and those who are fallen asleep?

The hint is that Mary is the New Eve... and she represents the Ark of the Covenant.

These things are important in salvation history... just as Jesus’ words in John 6 are very important in salvation history.


817 posted on 10/07/2014 11:05:21 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99

It’s an act of will. No man can come to God except that God draws him. That precludes free will right there.

Since *free will* is never addressed in Scripture, but God is continually telling people to choose, there is an aspect of us making a choice, but we are not capable of acting as an independent agent with no outside influence.


818 posted on 10/07/2014 11:29:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwilson99; Syncro
The hint is that Mary is the New Eve... and she represents the Ark of the Covenant.

Which is not supported ANYWHERE in Scripture.

819 posted on 10/07/2014 11:31:19 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwilson99
The word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 is koimēthentas and most often is used for those who have died and is only used twice in scrpture. Both in 1 Thessalonians 4 in verses 14and 15. Although forms of that word which are simply differences time are used in other places.

As here:

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

And here in reference to the death of Lazarus.

John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

All uses of any form of the word are referencing people who would be unaware of what is happening among those who are awake and living.

The entire concept of communicating with those departed (sleeping) is made up of conjecture and paganism.

820 posted on 10/07/2014 11:44:19 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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