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To: HarleyD

Please accept this as a logical and biblical explanation.

While it may sound old fashioned, all the issues we’re facing today is due to God’s wrath being poured out on us. This wrath is meant to draw us closer-or it will push us (as a nation) away from Him. It’s simply because He is a holy God and cannot stand our sinning and contempt for Him.

How we respond is the question.


2 posted on 10/04/2014 2:51:11 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: HarleyD

Personal interpretation of Scripture always makes me laugh a little. You protties sure have it tough.


3 posted on 10/04/2014 3:40:40 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis)
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To: HarleyD

Please accept this as a logical and biblical explanation.


It is logical and my only question, is the wrath we have today as a nation Gods wrath or is it brought on by our own stupid way of doing things?

Or in our personal lives it seems that the choices we made before we came to the knowledge of God and even the choices we make after we come to the knowledge of God affect the rest of our lives.

I heard some one remark that if we think we are living in the time of gods wrath then we better not be here when Gods wrath really starts being poured out.


4 posted on 10/04/2014 3:40:43 AM PDT by ravenwolf (nd)
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To: HarleyD

John 3:17 -

“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

Romans 8:1 -

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

John 10:10 -

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”

1 John 1:5 -

“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”


5 posted on 10/04/2014 3:52:52 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: HarleyD
The only response I've ever been able to muster is "Thank You," while always attempting to be quite careful to qualify an otherwise presumptuous statement with as sincere a request as I can rally that whatsoever is lacking in my gratitude be made sufficient to his praise, through Christ.

You've, no doubt, read about the Transfiguration, including all the details about those present falling asleep and what they witnessed when they were roused back to consciousness.

There had to be at least the briefest of moments, among any one of those present, that separated being asleep and being awake again, witnessing something quite extraordinary.

Or perhaps it's like that momentary "lag" before they were even able to be stunned, before they could react in any fashion whatsoever, like when lightning strikes very close by and that instant before most folks tend to jerk, before thunder envelopes them.

Without going burdening anyone with a windy commentary on the whole phenomena, let's just say I sometimes feel like my "response" must be similar.

Many things, of course, happen too fast for our minds to fathom, and we just don't have time even to formulate a reaction of any kind, except the feeling, so to speak (because it's really not a 'feeling,' as such - more of a "pre-feeling"), in what I'm laboring too hard to describe just goes on and on.

That is to say, I am Peter, perpetually in the interstitial place between his becoming fully awake to his transfigured Lord nearby and when he started babbling, trying to justify his being present, praising Jesus decision to invite them up the mountain to see this astounding scene and organizing a building committee.

You'll recall, of course, that a cloud descended on the scene and a voice from the cloud may have set things right about a proper, better response.

"This is my Beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased," this voice is reliably reported to have said. "Listen to Him!"

7 posted on 10/04/2014 4:15:42 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: HarleyD

I have believed for quite some time that the election of Obama was nothing less than God’s judgement on America.


11 posted on 10/04/2014 6:24:14 AM PDT by jimbug
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To: HarleyD
>>While it may sound old fashioned, all the issues we’re facing today is due to God’s wrath being poured out on us.<<

Wrath or chastisement? God's wrath is never visited on the faithful.

21 posted on 10/04/2014 10:31:40 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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