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Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?
Vabible.wordpress.com ^ | October 5, 2014 | Roland Peer

Posted on 10/05/2014 6:02:28 PM PDT by vabible

I have heard much impassioned debate lately about the question of whether America was founded as a Christian nation, so let's set the record straight here. The concept of a Christian nation is not found in the Bible, because it is impossible to have a Christian nation in this day and age. Christianity is the way of freedom and liberty. To receive Jesus Christ's free offer of eternal life is a matter of personal choice and conscience, mysteriously wrought in the individual human heart, will, and soul as God's Spirit draws all men to Himself.

Therefore, it is impossible to legislate Christianity into a nation. You cannot legislate morality any more than you can legislate saving faith. Here is another way of phrasing this: I believe with all my heart that the concept of a Christian theocracy, where both Christians and non-Christians are forced by the state to live a Christian/moral life, is abhorrent to the Christian God, just as forced conversions are abhorrent to the Christian God. We get a glimpse into how God views dead surface-level legalism in how Jesus dealt with the Pharisees - He reserved some of His harshest words for them. God looks at the heart, and that is an area of personal liberty, not political or institutional control.

At this point, I hope that those who come down on the side that America was not founded as a Christian nation are feeling somewhat vindicated, because while they may not be able to put their finger on it directly, something just doesn't feel right about the harsh judgmentalism of the Religious Right and other cultural warriors who want the Bible to be America's Constitution. I apologize that there are Christians who have a distorted view of God. But I wanted to challenge you with this thought:

America may not have been founded as a Christian nation, but it was founded as a nation that was pretty close to how the Christian God would found a nation: not one where people are forced to the faith and forced to live morally, but rather, one where people from all faiths and walks of life are welcome and treated equally. My conviction is that, of all religions in the world, the pure, unadulterated Christian faith has stood out in championing the universal equality of men and women, regardless of race, belief system, culture, or anything else, because all people are made in God's image.

America has tried to live out this heritage, and I would grade the past 200+ years as a D, or maybe a D+. I could list out the reasons, but they are too obvious. The slavery issue pretty much sealed the deal. But even so, the hallmark of freedom remains. Most Americans are no longer Christians today, and as a result, the landscape has changed. But this is all besides the point, for all of those who are lambasting single moms and broken families and blaming the culture of divorce and you name it for America's decline. The point is that the underlying DNA of freedom is still here. My belief is that that ideal of freedom (in other words, limited government) - where we can choose to believe anything, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, you name it - has descended from the heart of the Judeo-Christian faith.

One corollary, and I'll move onto final thoughts. Why is conservative political thought dying? Because by itself, it is powerless. Conservative political theory is one of non-action on part of the state. It must be bolstered by an impassioned plea for individuals, families, and communities to be agents of progress and change, or else it is a dead political philosophy. Just ask Leslie Knope what she thinks of Ron Swanson's political philosophy.

I digress. I end with an invitation for those who do not call themselves Christians to take advantage of our freedom here and continue to explore the truth. I especially invite you all to explore the Christian faith. If you come across stumbling blocks in the form of Christians who talk about people as if they are the enemy to be condemned, then I plead with you to brush them aside, and continue exploring.

My best wishes and prayers are with you all.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christian; nation; unitedstates
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To: Terry L Smith

You can have a Buddhists, Daoists, Confuscianists, Mohammedans, Pagans, Hindus, Sikhs, Voodoun, or any other as-yet-to-be-defined theoologies, such as Mormonism nation. But you cannot have a Christian nation because the Christian faith is founded upon an individual response to the Gospel, not legislated forcefully.


41 posted on 10/06/2014 5:31:14 AM PDT by vabible
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To: vabible
It is never permissible to have such a surface-level, legalistic, theocratic-government-forced dead moralistic Christian nation. The question was a rhetorical one. When I said it was impossible to have a Christian nation in “this day and age” I meant generally, as in since the Mosaic Law, not 21st century, etc.

So would it be fair to categorize OT Israel as being a surface-level, legalistic, theocratic-government-forced dead moralistic Jewish nation? And was it so because they followed God's commands, or because they didn't?

42 posted on 10/06/2014 5:41:38 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Whatever the case may be, we do know that a lot of Roman Catholics around here would like to see a Catholic Monarchy established.


43 posted on 10/06/2014 6:04:31 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
Whatever the case may be, we do know that a lot of Roman Catholics around here would like to see a Catholic Monarchy established.

And we do know that a lot of Roman Catholics around here would like to see the Inquisitions reestablished. Looking over my list, there's a great deal of crossover between those two groups.

I wonder how these beliefs have influenced the members of both lists to vote in presidential and mid-term elections?

44 posted on 10/06/2014 6:27:52 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: vabible
Maybe some people find comfort in thinking of America as a "Christian nation", thinking they'll be spared from God's judgment because they say "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, or because the Ten Commandments are posted in government buildings. The Jews of Jesus' day made a similar mistake.

The best way to preserve Christianity from a political perspective is for freedom of religion.

Laws guaranteeing "freedom of religion" have never been necessary for the gospel to be preached and for Christ's disciples to serve Him.

In the histories and letters that comprise the New Testament, where do read about freedom of religion? Or perhaps a better question is, where do we NOT find persecution, tribulation, affliction borne by Christians?
45 posted on 10/06/2014 7:08:16 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Alex Murphy
So would it be fair to categorize OT Israel as being a surface-level, legalistic, theocratic-government-forced dead moralistic Jewish nation? And was it so because they followed God's commands, or because they didn't?

"And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw nigh unto me, and with their mouth and with their lips to honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which hath been taught them;" - Isaiah 29:13
46 posted on 10/06/2014 8:28:38 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

That is true, Christians have historically shone the brightest in the face of persecution. But this doesn’t mean we should invite persecution.

Saying no to persecution (religious liberty) isn’t the same as legislating the Christian faith to non-believers.


47 posted on 10/06/2014 8:38:06 AM PDT by vabible
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To: LearsFool
"And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw nigh unto me, and with their mouth and with their lips to honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which hath been taught them;" - Isaiah 29:13

See, I have taught you statutes and rules, as the Lord my God commanded me, that you should do them in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
Keep them and do them, for that will be your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples, who, when they hear all these statutes, will say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’
For what great nation is there that has a god so near to it as the Lord our God is to us, whenever we call upon him?
-- Deuteronomy 4:5-7

48 posted on 10/06/2014 8:39:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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49 posted on 10/06/2014 8:49:05 AM PDT by caww
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50 posted on 10/06/2014 8:50:55 AM PDT by caww
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51 posted on 10/06/2014 8:52:56 AM PDT by caww
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52 posted on 10/06/2014 8:58:46 AM PDT by caww
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53 posted on 10/06/2014 9:02:33 AM PDT by caww
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54 posted on 10/06/2014 9:05:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Our freedom as a nation , of which we pledge allegiance as "One nation UNDER GOD, did not come without a price....nor is it maintained without a price.


55 posted on 10/06/2014 9:11:48 AM PDT by caww
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56 posted on 10/06/2014 9:15:11 AM PDT by caww
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59 posted on 10/06/2014 9:23:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: af_vet_1981

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil.


And when the ruler becomes a terror to good works, what then?


60 posted on 10/06/2014 9:25:52 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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