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Pope Francis makes an important move at the synod
JohnThavis.com ^ | October 10, 2014 | John Thavis

Posted on 10/11/2014 11:12:06 AM PDT by ebb tide

The Vatican just announced that Pope Francis has named six additional prelates to help write the revised relatio for the Synod of Bishops, to be released Monday. At the risk of oversimplifying, they all seem to be on the pope’s wavelength when it comes to promoting pastoral mercy.

They will assist Cardinal Peter Erdo, the primary drafter of the relatio, and two other synod officials, in the task of summing up the first week of spirited synod debate in a document that will form the basis for future discussion.

Sources in Rome view the revised relatio as the key document going forward, and there is particular interest in how it treats some of the more controversial issues at the synod, including proposals to admit divorced and remarried Catholics to the sacraments.

The papal appointees to the drafting group are:

Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, president of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Culture. Cardinal Donald W. Wuerl, archbishop of Washington, D.C. Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez, rector of the Pontifical Catholic University of Argentina and one of the pope’s top theological advisors. Archbishop Carlos Aguiar Retes of Mexico, president of CELAM, the Latin American bishops’ council. Archbishop Peter Kang U-Il of South Korea. Father Adolfo Nicolás Pachón of Spain, superior general of the Jesuit order.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francis; jesuits; wuerl
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1 posted on 10/11/2014 11:12:06 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv; Legatus; Wyrd bið ful aræd; Arthur McGowan

Donna Wuerl Ping


2 posted on 10/11/2014 11:13:10 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Catholics do not need a bunch of high level priests to put together carefully worded summaries of what is taking place at the synod. All we need, and what we Catholics want, is the release of every address and discussion taking place at the synod, and the identities of who said what. Anything less than that full disclosure will simply mean that Pope Francis is controlling 100% of what we Catholics are being fed. Do I trust Pope Francis? The answer is NO. It has taken a few months but now he is showing his true colors, and those colors are not pretty, nor in the interest of traditional Catholics.


3 posted on 10/11/2014 11:22:49 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: CdMGuy

You might be onto something. But its still too early to tell.


4 posted on 10/11/2014 11:31:55 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: ebb tide

I don’t think he could have picked anybody worse than these guys. I guess we know which side he’s on, and he obviously wasn’t going to get his way with the existing membership of the Synod - so, time to pack the court.


5 posted on 10/11/2014 11:32:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: ebb tide

Sounds like Francis is o the move again....he does have a way of shaking things out.


6 posted on 10/11/2014 11:38:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

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7 posted on 10/11/2014 11:45:56 AM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: ebb tide
Lovely. I seem to recall a study where they gave chimps or monkeys some minimal degree of training in the use of skateboards, and essentially made them race on the skateboards to reach a reward of bananas or something.

The results of this synod are going to look similar, I think.

8 posted on 10/11/2014 12:08:57 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: ebb tide

An appropriate pick.

The synodal propaganda machine would do Goebbels proud, and the highly orchestrated opinion-shaping campaign is running at full bore.


9 posted on 10/11/2014 12:14:30 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: CdMGuy

This Pope is coming out of the closet.

Donna Wuerl is a notorious homosexual, and his every statement on Communion for Nancy Pelosi has been filled with blatant lies and devious sophistries.

The mere fact that the Pope trusts this Uriah Heep is enough to brand the Pope as a buffoon, and probably much worse.

The fact is: We have a Bad Pope. He is an egotistical, nasty, vindictive little man.

The Church is being punished.


10 posted on 10/11/2014 12:30:41 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: CdMGuy

But... but... He’s the ‘’Vicar of Christ.” The Holy Spirit is in control. He can do no wrong!!!


11 posted on 10/11/2014 12:32:33 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
All of which makes you wonder why Benedict handed it to him.

Benedict should have ended his tenure as Pope feet-first.

12 posted on 10/11/2014 12:34:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: fwdude

Only when speaking ex Cathedra, Sweetheart.


13 posted on 10/11/2014 12:35:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: fwdude

If he tries to speak ex cathedra will the chair zot him right out of it? That sounds like a joke but there’s a serious question underlying. A “bad” Pope, is he supernaturally enjoined from making an infallible statement in the understanding of Roman Catholics? It’s all so mechanical and ritualistic, it’s just alien to me, I’ve got to admit.


14 posted on 10/11/2014 12:35:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So, he could be (this is completely hypothetical, so don't get your panties in twist) a murdering pedophile while not on sitting in St. Peters Chair, but when he is, he's beyond reproach?

What a sick God would institute such diabolical, Jekyll and Hyde system. But then, He didn't.

15 posted on 10/11/2014 1:02:20 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

When a man is in his eighties, and has spent so many decades inside a system, there are certain things that are just done in a certain way. And the whole system for choosing and advancing prelates is a big machine. And Satan loves machines of that sort.

I have always thought that Burke should have told Benedict, “It’s either me or Wuerl, but not both.” But that’s another thing that Just Isn’t Done.


16 posted on 10/11/2014 1:06:05 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: fwdude

You are correct. God didn’t institute it.

By “it,” of course, I mean the cartoonish institution you have described, not the actual Papacy.


17 posted on 10/11/2014 1:07:18 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: fwdude
Only when he speaks on Church doctrine.

But you just keep on with your mental masturbation. You seem to be very practiced at it.

18 posted on 10/11/2014 1:20:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: ebb tide
"Pastoral mercy?"

Is that like "compassionate conservatism?"

19 posted on 10/11/2014 1:21:52 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: RegulatorCountry

First of all, “ex cathedra” does not mean actually, physically sitting in some particular chair.

There have been two exercises of “papal infallibility”—i.e., actual statements by the Pope which explicitly affirmed that the Pope intended to teach the entire Church infallibly, in 1854 (Immaculate Conception) and 1950 (Assumption), and 1994 (ordination of females).

In all cases, the statements were the result of long study by scholars of the historical record, and inquiries sent to every bishop in the world, specifically on the question: Has this dogma been a part of the Deposit of Faith from the beginning?

Worst case possible regarding the Synod is that Francis emits a statement as vapid, juvenile, and destructive as the ones Kasper, Wuerl, O’Malley, et al., have been putting out.

If he does that, he WILL NOT assert that he is teaching infallibly.

At the risk of sounding superstitious, I will say that IF Francis were stupid and wicked enough to make up his mind to claim to teach infallibly something different from what the Church has always taught about marriage, Communion, etc., that he would die the night before.

Seriously, if he DID do that, he would cause a schism. The real Catholics would reject this new teaching, and elect a new Pope.


20 posted on 10/11/2014 1:23:14 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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