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To: metmom

“The Holy Spirit can do the job.”

My, my, it is so very frustrating.

The Holy Spirit, which is one of the three persons in our One God, does what He does when He does it for His own reasons.

Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.

If you think the Holy Spirit is helping you understand what you read, and you have not had an earth-shattering, entirely unique, draining, and unmistakable supernatural experience, you are mistaken.


103 posted on 11/15/2014 9:28:51 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

You are so wrong that I will just start with the basics of milk.

Galatians 5:18New International Version (NIV)

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

This explains why Catholics don’t recognize the simplicity of the Holy Spirit they are still trying to obey the law with works and deeds.

John 16:13New International Version (NIV)

13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Romans 8:14New International Version (NIV)

14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

1 Corinthians 12:1-11New International Version (NIV)
Concerning Spiritual Gifts

12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

2 Corinthians 4:4New International Version (NIV)

4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


112 posted on 11/15/2014 10:16:28 PM PST by mrobisr
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To: dsc; metmom

>>Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.<<

What you posted above may be Roman Rite teaching but it is not what was taught by Christ and His disciples.

Was Pentecost was a temporary event?

When did the Holy Spirit leave Cornelius?

All those epistles where Paul told fellow Christians they were filled with the Holy Spirit were inaccurate?

When Jesus promised the Comforter that was for a limited time?

1 Corinthians 2 King James Version (KJV)

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.


117 posted on 11/15/2014 11:03:30 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: dsc
Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.

That's in the OT. In the church age, the Holy Spirit is given to ALL born again believers.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

If you think the Holy Spirit is helping you understand what you read, and you have not had an earth-shattering, entirely unique, draining, and unmistakable supernatural experience, you are mistaken.

On the contrary, He does do that in the life of the born again believer. Spiritual truths are spiritually discerned and can only be apprehended through the enlightening work of the Holy Spirit.

Nor does someone need an "earth-shattering, entirely unique, draining, and unmistakable supernatural experience" to be led by Him or to know His presence. The Holy Spirit can speak with a still, small voice.

123 posted on 11/16/2014 5:05:39 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dsc
Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.

If you think the Holy Spirit is helping you understand what you read, and you have not had an earth-shattering, entirely unique, draining, and unmistakable supernatural experience, you are mistaken.

So tell me, what qualifies you to speak so authoritatively on how the Holy Spirit works and what He can and can't do? How do you know what limits to put on how He works and what He does?

125 posted on 11/16/2014 5:09:28 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dsc; metmom

Wow! That was a sad, sad commentary on Catholicism.


143 posted on 11/16/2014 8:31:44 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: dsc
My, my, it is so very frustrating.
The Holy Spirit, which is one of the three persons in our One God, does what He does when He does it for His own reasons.
Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.
If you think the Holy Spirit is helping you understand what you read, and you have not had an earth-shattering, entirely unique, draining, and unmistakable supernatural experience, you are mistaken.

Now that's some pure biblical and spiritual ignorance right there...

Who would you say taught you that, God or Satan???

153 posted on 11/16/2014 10:58:27 AM PST by Iscool
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To: dsc
The Holy Spirit, which is one of the three persons in our One God, does what He does when He does it for His own reasons.

Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.

If you think the Holy Spirit is helping you understand what you read, and you have not had an earth-shattering, entirely unique, draining, and unmistakable supernatural experience, you are mistaken.

dude, do you read the Bible??

John 14:26 (NASB)

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26 (NASB)

26“When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

163 posted on 11/16/2014 1:08:45 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: dsc

“Experience shows that the Holy Spirit comes upon people only infrequently, and that only on rare individuals.”

You consider *that* to be an insult?

I’m going to bookmark that one.


224 posted on 11/19/2014 10:43:47 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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