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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: terycarl; editor-surveyor
>>WOW, I've never heard that weird interpretation before,<<

See here. Perhaps you could explain and clarify?

1,681 posted on 12/18/2014 6:05:16 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie
According to you who has absolutely no authority whatsoever.
1,682 posted on 12/18/2014 6:05:27 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: terycarl

So offering a prayer is not praying? Clinton is blushing.


1,683 posted on 12/18/2014 6:05:58 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: terycarl
It is very sad to see people wasting their lives clinging to made up fantasies presented to them ...


1,684 posted on 12/18/2014 6:07:10 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex

Yes I can. As you stated the Hail Mary is a prayer. I keep hearing Roman Catholics do not pray to Mary. Yet there are prayers to her.


1,685 posted on 12/18/2014 6:07:47 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: metmom

Your question: “Which is the Holy Spirit protected teaching?”

Catechism of the Catholic Church
2031 The moral life is spiritual worship. We “present [our] bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God,”73 within the Body of Christ that we form and in communion with the offering of his Eucharist. In the liturgy and the celebration of the sacraments, prayer and teaching are conjoined with the grace of Christ to enlighten and nourish Christian activity. As does the whole of the Christian life, the moral life finds its source and summit in the Eucharistic sacrifice. (1368)

I. Moral Life and the Magisterium of the Church 85-87, 888-892
2032 The Church, the “pillar and bulwark of the truth,” “has received this solemn command of Christ from the apostles to announce the saving truth.”74 “To the Church belongs the right always and everywhere to announce moral principles, including those pertaining to the social order, and to make judgments on any human affairs to the extent that they are required by the fundamental rights of the human person or the salvation of souls.”75 (2246, 2420)

2033 The Magisterium of the Pastors of the Church in moral matters is ordinarily exercised in catechesis and preaching, with the help of the works of theologians and spiritual authors. Thus from generation to generation, under the aegis and vigilance of the pastors, the “deposit” of Christian moral teaching has been handed on, a deposit composed of a characteristic body of rules, commandments, and virtues proceeding from faith in Christ and animated by charity. Alongside the Creed and the Our Father, the basis for this catechesis has traditionally been the Decalogue which sets out the principles of moral life valid for all men. (84)

2034 The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are “authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice.”76 The ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him teach the faithful the truth to believe, the charity to practice, the beatitude to hope for.

2035 The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.77

2036 The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation. In recalling the prescriptions of the natural law, the Magisterium of the Church exercises an essential part of its prophetic office of proclaiming to men what they truly are and reminding them of what they should be before God.78 (1960)

2037 The law of God entrusted to the Church is taught to the faithful as the way of life and truth. The faithful therefore have the right to be instructed in the divine saving precepts that purify judgment and, with grace, heal wounded human reason.79 They have the duty of observing the constitutions and decrees conveyed by the legitimate authority of the Church. Even if they concern disciplinary matters, these determinations call for docility in charity. (2041)


1,686 posted on 12/18/2014 6:07:49 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: Elsie

What’s sad is seeing how miserable Non-Catholics are. That’s sad.


1,687 posted on 12/18/2014 6:08:23 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: terycarl
It is very sad to see people wasting their lives clinging to made up fantasies presented to them ...


1,688 posted on 12/18/2014 6:11:44 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl

1,689 posted on 12/18/2014 6:12:13 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
The prayer is asking her to PRAY FOR US! Is that really so hard for you to understand? Whereever two or more are gathered? I swear you people go out of your way to not understand something that the average 5 year old understands.

I personally don't care what you think of Mary or Catholic or me. Really I don't but for crying out loud..... Here have a hissy fit on me! Mary! Mary ! Mary! BOOOOOOO!

1,690 posted on 12/18/2014 6:13:24 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: ADSUM
What 'Rome' giveth with one fork of it's tongue, it taketh away with the other.
1,691 posted on 12/18/2014 6:14:33 AM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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To: defconw
According to you who has absolutely no authority whatsoever.

Authority to do what? Bind him to a pile of wood and loose a match on it?
1,692 posted on 12/18/2014 6:20:01 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: annalex; aMorePerfectUnion
Luke 1:43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my κυρίοις (kyriois) should come to me?

Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly κυρίοις (kyriois) in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the κυρίοις (kyriois).

All the same word. Were they all Gods?

1,693 posted on 12/18/2014 6:20:02 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl
That canned repetitious writing is so sacrilegious!....





1,694 posted on 12/18/2014 6:20:07 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
The Catholics knew, honored and loved Mary for about 1,600 years before there was even 1 protestant.

John 2:4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.

1,695 posted on 12/18/2014 6:23:58 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear; Resettozero

Ask the same things HERE: http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3


1,696 posted on 12/18/2014 6:25:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
>>the location/residence of Mary is irrelevant..<<<

Irrelevant you say! Yet one of the very reasons the Catholic Church uses to justify their assumption of the assumption is that there is no evidence of her remains. They wouldn't even know where to look because they don't even know where she was.

1,697 posted on 12/18/2014 6:28:22 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl
I did, and He said, pay attention, I came to Earth, got together a bunch of Apostles, founded a church and assigned them to carry it to every place on the planet which they did. Then I gave you life and put you in a position where you could join My church and achieve Salvation through My Gift and My gift of the Eucharist. Listen to what they say because I have inspired them with the truth.

Everyone has his/her own experiences to relate. What He revealed to me, mainly through the Holy Bible but also with confirmation by the Holy Spirit, was different than what He revealed to you. Hard to figure sometimes, isn't it?
1,698 posted on 12/18/2014 6:28:46 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: terycarl
that has to be at least the third time you have posted that drivel on this thread,

Nope...

FOUR!


Let's try some easy math:


There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;

If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;

that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)

...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!

Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!


(And this is just if one percent are active.)


1,699 posted on 12/18/2014 6:29:06 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl; narses
that has to be at least the third time you have posted that drivel on this thread,

Never have you complained to the Great narses for all of his graphics; why pick on lovable me?

1,700 posted on 12/18/2014 6:30:08 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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