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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: CynicalBear

So, my friend, we have the Jesus (the Lamb of God) at a Wedding Feast where His Wine (blood) has made everything work out.

It’s a prefigurement of the eternal.

And, this is no accident. It does say it was done by one person. It says HE revealed his glory. It doesn’t say “Mary revealed His glory.” It also says this miracle was the first. And it says that the “hour” to which he referred was the hour of his passion, when He wouldn’t divert from the cup He had to drink. His ministry had already begun at his baptism.

And this at the end of John: “30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”


2,901 posted on 12/22/2014 7:33:23 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Resettozero

I’m not RC, but is there something about quoting scripture in my posts that makes you think that?


2,902 posted on 12/22/2014 7:34:24 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I’m going to let you play minutia on your own.


2,903 posted on 12/22/2014 7:36:14 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: WVKayaker; redleghunter; EagleOne; ealgeone
1 Corinthians 4: 6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other

But this is said against those who judge others' salvation and act pridefully at that. This is a good advice, but it is not a doctrinal statement about scripture alone is the rule of faith. I can say to my fellow Catholics the same thing: When you argue with the Protestants, prove the error of Protestantism from scripture.

Hebrews 4: 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow

This is praise of the Holy Scripture and a Catholic teaching as well. It does not say that the Scripture is the sole rule of faith, just that it is a very good rule. We all agree on that.

Romans 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel...

Of course. It is the gospel that condemns Protestantism most squarely. Sole Scriptura does not follow from this verse either, though.

Romans 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus

This teaches salvation by grace alone, not by faith alone. The former is Catholic teaching; the latter -- gross scriptural error.

However, I can prove from Scripture that the Church is the complete rule of faith. That is because it is written: "whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven" (Matthew 16:190, and another time: "tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven." (Matthew 18:17-18). Both time the power to bind and loose is given to people guided by the Holy Ghost, not to books, and that power is absolute as it operates in heaven.

2,904 posted on 12/22/2014 7:39:33 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: xzins
I’m not RC, but is there something about quoting scripture in my posts that makes you think that?

Not the parts where you quote Scripture (which to me is the alive and breathing Word of God and not a seminarian's thesis), but the general overall tone...

Well..makes me wonder...a little...on occasions...but I know you are what you've told me you are...a stinking you-know-what.
2,905 posted on 12/22/2014 7:41:23 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: CynicalBear

It’s scripture. And it’s correct.


2,906 posted on 12/22/2014 7:42:51 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Resettozero

Chaplain?

LOL


2,907 posted on 12/22/2014 7:43:30 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: CynicalBear; ealgeone; redleghunter; Elsie
Romans 4:5 speaks of the futility of works of Jewish law as is seen from the conclusion of the passage:

he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the justice of the faith, which he had, being uncircumcised; that he might be the father of all them that believe, being uncircumcised, that unto them also it may be reputed to justice: [12] And might be the father of circumcision; not to them only, that are of the circumcision, but to them also that follow the steps of the faithful, that is in the uncircumcision of our father Abraham. (Romans 4:11-12)
Note also that work here is understood to incur debt: St. Paul simply is not talking of the good works that we know are fundamental for our salvation (Matthew 25:31-46).

I'll take the simple, general statement form the passage directly answering the question on hand: "Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" (James 2:24).

2,908 posted on 12/22/2014 7:47:47 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: xzins
Chaplain? LOL

Well, I wouldn't know. How DOES one address a retired Army Chaplain?

...Sir, Reverend, Your Honor, Hey YOU?
2,909 posted on 12/22/2014 7:49:50 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Chappie was always my favorite


2,910 posted on 12/22/2014 7:51:25 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Chaplain? LOL

OH...it must be...by RANK!

Well Colonel, I see why you are inclined to post on FR sometimes as a member of the RCC might; they're big on Rank within the ranks...just like the Army.
2,911 posted on 12/22/2014 7:55:57 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: redleghunter; EagleOne
Sola Scriptura is simple never stated in the scripture. But if it were true, the scripture would have to contain that important teaching that lead to the horror of so-called Reformation. Besides, if you see the "bind and loose" passages in Matthew 16 and 18, it is clear that the scripture teaches the opposite: that the Church is the sole and sufficient rule of faith, that decides on the authority of Christ in Heaven.

Sola Fide is again, never quite stated in the scripture, and instead the opposite is taught in James 2:24.

To save you (and me) time: The scripture contains many statements that praise both the faith and the scripture. That the Holy Scripture is of extreme importance for faith formation is Catholic teaching. That faith is the greatest gift of God we may receive on our journey to salvation is also Catohlic teaching. Finally, note I say Sola Fide is an error. Sola Gratia -- don't confuse the two -- is Catholic teaching.

2,912 posted on 12/22/2014 7:57:12 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Resettozero

It is actually regulation that US Army chaplains are not called by rank. Their rank is secondary to their ministry for their denomination. They’re to be called “Chaplain”. Not that they don’t have rank, and that it influences whether they’re a battalion, brigade, division, etc., chaplain.

But a higher ranking prayer is no better than a lower ranking prayer.


2,913 posted on 12/22/2014 7:59:17 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: annalex
St. Paul simply is not talking of the good works that we know are fundamental for our salvation.

Other than the good work of believing in Jesus of Nazareth as Lord of all His Creation, born human of a virgin and also Son of the living God the Father, being soon baptised in the Name of the Father, the Son, and HOLY SPIRIT...

Other than this good work, what good works does the RCC teach are ALSO required for eternal salvation...?

And, BTW...

...Paul rarely said ANYTHING just simply.


2,914 posted on 12/22/2014 8:06:28 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: xzins

So, I was inadvertently correct to address you as “Chaplain”.

Twice a day, you know.


2,915 posted on 12/22/2014 8:08:11 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: metmom; CynicalBear; ealgeone; redleghunter; Elsie

Some of these verses praise the faith, others indicate that works for hire or for other temporary reward are not salvific; yet others indicate that the road to salvation begins with faith. None teaches the false doctrine that Luther invented, and all are Catholic teaching.


2,916 posted on 12/22/2014 8:08:26 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: redleghunter; EagleOne
Right; and about that the Scripture teaches "faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect" (verse 22). The plucking out is what you just did, not me.
2,917 posted on 12/22/2014 8:10:40 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Oh shoot. You’re still down in the 2600 block of posts. Never can converse this way satisfactorily.

When you get to this page, just forget I posted anything to you.

(Good grief. Just now reading the 2600s.)


2,918 posted on 12/22/2014 8:15:43 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: annalex
Note also that work here is understood to incur debt: St. Paul simply is not talking of the good works that we know are fundamental for our salvation (Matthew 25:31-46).

You are mistaken...Any good or bad works we might do regardless of the reason are covered in 613 Jewish laws (works)...

The works you are referring to are an incurred debt...You owe good works to Jesus to pay for your salvation...To pay for your sin...Any good work you can think of is covered in at least one of those 613 laws that the Jews are required to keep...

2,919 posted on 12/22/2014 8:23:35 PM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: annalex
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
2,920 posted on 12/22/2014 8:27:54 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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