Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[Elsie]

Look at the Greek.

I read this all the time from Freepers.

Why can't the learned ones here get together and produce a CORRECT translation for us DUMMIES to read!

[Elsie]

Good, you agree with the translation. In that translation is Jesus basically saying, “That’s no big deal for us.”

And then He added, "Mom; quit trying to re-arrange the banquet table!"

[Elsie]

She is a powerful ally against temptation; a role model of a chaste, obedient servant of God.

Chaste means frigid?

"Joseph; I still have that headache; so just LEAVE ME ALONE!"

[Elsie]

OK, but I have preconception to overcome: that Jesus couldn’t be made to do something that He didn’t want to do.

You REALLY want our Catholic Freeper's heads to explode?

You KNOW that Jesus has to be told what to do by His MOTHER!

Rome has taught that for CENTURIES!

[Elsie]

He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,”

I wonder just WHEN this 'thinking' started?

[Elsie]

...“My hour has not yet come.

The OBVIOUSLY bad translators (EVERY one of them) left out the important words...

Just wait 60 more minutes...

[Elsie]

2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

And here WE are worrying about HOURS!!

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 John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

John 12:27 12:27 – “Now my soul is troubled. And what should I say—‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it is for this reason that I have come to this hour.”

John 17: 1 - 17:1 – After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you.”

[Elsie]

And it wasn't an illiterate era. Jesus and other males read from the Torah in the synagogue.

Teyve said he started school at 3 years old.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/gRdfX7ut8gw?rel=0&start=162&end=178

[Elsie]

John clearly says the Wedding at Cana was one of Jesus’ planned, important miracles. “John 2: 11 This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him. “

Clearly?

Planned??

I see NOTHING in the verse posted that says EITHER of these!

[Elsie]

His disciples didn't understand, but Mary had been told "a sword will pierce your heart, too." Luke 2: "34 Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: "This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, 35 so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.""

Well...

Who's gonna be the winner of THIS translation fight??

Heart or Soul???

[Elsie]

Because he was honoring His mother and keeping the Law perfectly.

Ah...

The LAW!!!

The one where Mary OBEYED, in order to be PURIFIED from the DEFILEMENT of childbearing.

(Not to be considered a SIN or anything...)

Luke 2:23-24
23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, "EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD "), 24and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, "A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS."

Leviticus 5:11
"'If, however, they cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, they are to bring as an offering for their sin a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour for a sin offering. They must not put olive oil or incense on it, because it is a sin offering.

[Elsie]

God is not bound by time. He created it.

Humans sure are!

[Elsie]

So someone is trying to portray Christ as saying that Mary’s heart is divine?

Well; SACRED, anyway...

[Elsie]

I would you were hot or cold, and if not, give Catholics the same benefit of the doubt.

DOUBT that any FR Catholics have an answer as to WHY seven of their early churches were SO much in error?

The angel warned them through the revelation to John; but would they LISTEN???

Evidently not!

Todays Catholics are just as head headed.

[Elsie]

They've already called me stupid, which ought to hurt me but I'm not smart enough to feel the ZING!

That hurt; too; didn't it!

Well; I've been called ugly by a TOAD before!

[Elsie]

The idea that the bible is the sufficient rule of faith and that salvation comes from faith alone are contrary to scripture.

Someone, apparently, disagrees with you...

 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit,

so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written."

Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

 

 Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

[Elsie]

Hebrews 3:9, 1 John 2:13 

 (well, the latter is obviously not St. Paul, which is in itself a corroboration).

 

[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2372 |   ------>>      St. Paul called people "father".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 3:9   Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

 

Where your fathers tempted me, proved and saw my works,

 

1 John 2:13

I am writing to you, fathers,
    because you know him who is from the beginning.
I am writing to you, young men,
    because you have overcome the evil one.

 

Well; you DID find some verses with the word FATHER in them.

 

 

[Elsie]

However, I can prove from Scripture that the Church is the complete rule of faith.

Thou hast almost been persuaded to become a PROTESTant!

[Elsie]

But a higher ranking prayer is no better than a lower ranking prayer.

See how you hateful PROTS dis Mary's prayers!

HER'S are the HIGHEST you can GET!!!!!

--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!!!)

[Elsie]

And in this quote from Jesus:

HERESY!!!