You might want to check with the Jewish Nation on that note.
Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Something Freudian this way comes...
The 7 seven in ASIA were CATHOLIC; not EO.
They WERE in ERROR for the BIBLE says so!
You have a MASSIVE case of BaghdadBobism.
Hie thee to a nunnery!
I would too; if I made as many as you do.
In Mecca they say...
... If ISLAM disregarded God, it would not have been around for 1400+ years and still advancing faster the those infidel Catholics!!!
And Hitler loved kittens...
Ah.
No, you do not "understand" that I told you exactly what the Holy Scripture says, and your interpretation does not. You must sustain your opinion against the plain sense of the language, else your whole house of cards will fall.
It's this simple:
Your position says that no matter what Jesus did in His life and on the Cross, it was not enough to secure God's friendship to those who surrender themselves to The Christ. You, personally, now have to make up the balance of the cost of heavenly passage by doing some good deeds, or lighting some candles, or inducing some personal discomfort like flailing yourself with a knotty whip, or by wearing scratchy underwear, or by eating watery gruel with bugs in it, or . . . or . . . or . . . what? What . . . utter nonsense!
People putting your phony interpretation to James' letter was the reason for so much infighting that at the time of inclusion in the canon, it almost didn't make it; for your interpretation of that passage flies in the face of Scripture from the beginning of the Tanach to the end of The Apocalypse!
No sale here, buddy!
The Catholic Church put the Bible together. It existed before the Bible. Jesus wrote nothing except on the sand which disappeared. He believed in teaching through people, strong or weak. Those people created the Catholic Church to exist until the end of time. That's what Jesus wanted.
You might want to check with the Jewish Nation on that note.
I they are then they are an apostate descendent. They have added to and changed what the Jews and Christ called scripture.
Fiction.
They’ve seen the history of how the scriptures REALLY came about...but of course facts mean little to those who are brainwashed into believing whatever their leadership insists they believe.....and primarily from catholic literature and their traditions rather than the scriptures.
You cannot help people see the truth when they love a lie.
Genesis 3...
Did GOD really say...
“blinded because of unbelief” has come to mean so much more since listening to these Catholics.
What one must do is obey the Messiah. That may involve personal discomfort, deprivation, and even martyrdom. It is folly to imagine you yourself were never saved, why would you do that ? Nonetheless, you are not permitted to deny the LORD Jesus Christ to save your skin, no matter how frightened you become, no matter how much you suffer. This is the terror with which the Moslems attack the people of God today. It seems to me the theology you lost does not account for it, although from a computer screen it may appear you've got all seen up tight, so to speak.
People putting your phony interpretation to James' letter was the reason for so much infighting that at the time of inclusion in the canon, it almost didn't make it; for your interpretation of that passage flies in the face of Scripture from the beginning of the Tanach to the end of The Apocalypse!
If your faith group had a tradition of more than a century or a few, perhaps even five, it would still lack the apostolic succession. The Messiah only commissioned one book of the Bible, yet He promised to build a church on Peter that would withstand the gates of hell. We know from other scripture this holy catholic apostolic church was founded on the Jewish apostles and prophets with Messiah Himself the chief cornerstone. I believe He did what He said He would do. Now as for works, I see in Revelation, chapters 2 and 3, as named by a Catholic, and verses one through twenty-nine and one through twenty two respectively as named by a Catholic turned Protestant, I see the word "works" twelve times (interesting number considering the author) and the word "faith" but once. I believe James.
It seems to me many grope through the darkness trying to interpret Revelation to put it in a theology folder while what is required is to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Works, works, works, and that gem about supper with Messiah. We know from Hebrews that without faith it is impossible to please God and from Revelation that we must keep the works of Messiah to the end.
Revelation 2 King James Version (KJV) Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. 6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. 8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. 12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. 17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3 King James Version (KJV) And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
The purpose of the passage you are quoting has nothing to do with salvation. What it serves for spiritual purposes is to demonstrate the quality and genuineness of the faith of the mn already renamed Abraham (because of his proven loyalty to the God Who sees to the bottom of your heart), to demonstrate to all ages the instant, total, unquestioning obedience of both Abraham and Isaac:
"By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
and he that had received the promises offered up his only
begotten son,
Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead;
from whence also he received him in a figure" (Heb 11:17-19 AV).
Don't be a dunce! The passage in James occurred about 42 years after Abram went on record of committing himself, his obedience, and the eternal future of himself and his descendants, his seed, to the care of Jehovah.
This passage cannot be used to demonstrate inception of salvation being effected by human works! God's salvation begins with faith alone in Messiah alone, as recorded in His Word alone.
Regarding your quotation, what part of "Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:" do you not understand? It does not say that Abraham wore a hair shirt and believed, and that made him righteous. No! God saw that he placed his entire person and future in God's hands, and because of that, Abram was counted as if he were righteous. Being judicially freed of guilt does not indicate you did not sin. It only means that you are freed from the penalty that the sin deserves, but the judge says "Not guilty."
It's time you brushed up your Catholic terms and translations to fit the Scrpture, not vice versa as has been done. Translating μετάνοια (metanoia) = repentance, "a change of mind," by substituting "penance" for it, a defined term that is an act, a work of, say, giving up chocolate for Lent--This substitution is a red hot criminal misuse of the translator's position of trust, but which perverts the whole doctrine of Chrisy Jesus' suffering for our sins.
My dear fellow human, Scripture says that you are so full of sin, of depravity, from the moment of conception and on through life, that you couldn't even begin to be recognized as compensating God or others for your own misdeeds, even the ones performed unintentionally, to earn even a small step toward heaven by any thing you might think is good toward one person, that doesn't actually deprive the benefit of it from another!
Come on! It is only by pleading the Blood of Christ alone for your iniquity that you might start to move Him to hear a plea for salvation based on trusting Christ alone, apart from any works you have done or ever will do. To think otherwise is to take on the same haughty attitude that got Lucifer cast out of heaven! To think you can contribute anything more to the offering of His Body and Blood that is already given for our salvation is the peak of unrepentant pride of self. Isaac Watts commented on that, back in 1707 AD:
"When I survey the wondrous cross
on which the Prince of Glory died;
my richest gain I count but loss,
and pour contempt on all my pride.
Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast,
save in the death of Christ, my God;
all the vain things that charm me most,
I sacrifice them to his blood.
See, from his head, his hands, his feet,
sorrow and love flow mingled down.
Did e'er such love and sorrow meet,
or thorns compose so rich a crown.
Were the whole realm of nature mine,
that were an offering far too small;
love so amazing, so divine,
demands my soul, my life, my all."
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"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1Jn 1:9 AV)
No mention of "penance" here, only confession--and repentance, a change of mind inferred--any attempt to add to God's work of forgiving and total cleansing by insisting on subsequent acts of contrition would be just a deep, deep insult to the merciful nature of The God, and counted as yet another gross sinful mistake in estimating the character of Christ, IMHO.
I haven't heard of one. If you do let me know.
😄 LOL, Roger that. I have a feeling I won't be getting back to you on this issue.
I would too; if I made as many as you do.
Elsie, would you say that this is a pot meet kettle moment?😄
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