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To: boatbums; CynicalBear
I can certainly quote dozens more that clearly teach we are saved by faith apart from the works we do

So why didn't you? Please do.

We ALL believe that we were created UNTO good works, which God has prepared for us to do

Then drop the stupid "faith alone" mantra, if you don't believe it.

kind of sneaky, actually, to profess one believes we are saved by the grace of God and not of our works, but then to say we are saved by faith AND works

What is sneaky about it? Eph 2:4-10 says it. James 2:17-26 says it. Quite openly.

He doesn't lure souls into Christ by offering a gift that He says we receive through faith to then demand that unless we ALSO do good works we don't get to keep the gift.

The good works is a part of the gift. If we don't do them, we reject the gift. Again, read what the scripture says:

Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock [...] (Matthew 7:21-24)

I leave it up to you to figure out how Jesus "bait-and-switches" all these people He "lured".

6,371 posted on 01/19/2015 8:11:20 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; boatbums; CynicalBear

We’re saved by faith. We show our condition by our works.


6,373 posted on 01/19/2015 8:13:57 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: annalex; boatbums
>>So why didn't you? Please do.<<

How about you deal with those in post 6,375 first.

>>Then drop the stupid "faith alone" mantra, if you don't believe it.<<

What part of unto do you not get? That saving faith is already a done deal before works of any value begin. Why is that so hard for Catholics to understand?

>>What is sneaky about it? Eph 2:4-10 says it. James 2:17-26 says it. Quite openly.<<

Then why not drop the stupid "we are not saved by works" mantra that we hear from Catholics?

>>If we don't do them, we reject the gift.<<

That's not what the Holy Spirit through Paul said.

Romans 4:5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

No "we reject the gift" there. Why do Catholics make stuff up?

6,381 posted on 01/19/2015 9:02:49 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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