Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
This explains my lack of interest in your opinions, interpretations, and protests. You are a Protestant. I am Catholic. I speak from faith. You do not.
Telling people what is says and interpreting are one and the same
No it is not. Observe how I explain James 2 and the Protestant build up complex logical (or seemingly logical) mental constructions to make it look like the verses such as James 2:24 was not there. They are interpreting, and dishonestly. I merely explain what is written.
You have to practice the life of the Faith for your sacrament of Confirmation to mean anything.
This is scripture:
it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)If judgment follows death then it could not have happened at the alter call as most Protestant sects believe.
faith and a good conscience, which some rejecting have made shipwreck concerning the faith (1 Timothy 1:19)
It is possible for a man to reject his faith and become a human shipwreck despite professions of faith he had done earlier.
faith without works is dead (James 2:26)
Faith must be a living faith accompanied by works so long as the man lives.
So to you when the Scripture speaks of a mother of Christ, that is not Mary. Why are you wasting my time and yours?
The book of Mormon came from the Mormon Church and the Quran came from Islam. Likewise, the Holy Scripture came from the Catholic Church.
What did "the company you keep" produce?
NO one is teaching faith cannon save. It most certainly saves. But it does not, as a universal rule, save alone without good works of charity and self-denial.
They were not in error. The Eastern Orthodox Church continues today and is doing quite well. When Lutherans came to the Orthodox patriarchs trying to convert them to Protestantism they shamed them for becoming sectants and turned them away.
I ignore personal remarks
I understand your opinion about that, but I follow what the Holy Scripture says. No need for your complex algebra. Also the Catholic doctrine of justification is not based on how precisely you translate μετανοια. Even though wearing a camel shirt and eating locusts in the desert looks like a good old Catholic penance to me, and that is what he who called Israel to penance did.
When I do something like that, point it out, please. Right now it looks like a baseless accusation.
So why didn't you? Please do.
We ALL believe that we were created UNTO good works, which God has prepared for us to do
Then drop the stupid "faith alone" mantra, if you don't believe it.
kind of sneaky, actually, to profess one believes we are saved by the grace of God and not of our works, but then to say we are saved by faith AND works
What is sneaky about it? Eph 2:4-10 says it. James 2:17-26 says it. Quite openly.
He doesn't lure souls into Christ by offering a gift that He says we receive through faith to then demand that unless we ALSO do good works we don't get to keep the gift.
The good works is a part of the gift. If we don't do them, we reject the gift. Again, read what the scripture says:
Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock [...] (Matthew 7:21-24)
I leave it up to you to figure out how Jesus "bait-and-switches" all these people He "lured".
Right. I only understand justification because a bishop of the Catholic Church St. James wrote how it is in his letter. I am supposed to do different? Listen to Protestant charlatans instead? Sorry, no sale.
We’re saved by faith. We show our condition by our works.
Why is that? They did. We, Catholics, did. We are fine. Worry about yourselves.
Faith in what? The only faith I have heard you talk about is faith in the Catholic Church and it's rituals.
>>I merely explain what is written.<<
Explain this.
Romans 4:5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
And this one please.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
And not to overburden you but this one also.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
It's really sad that Catholics don't seem to understand ALL of scripture.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Now if there is "no condemnation" can you explain what "judgement" there will be for believers?
>>It is possible for a man to reject his faith and become a human shipwreck despite professions of faith he had done earlier.<<
Would you please point out your words (which I have bolded) in the verse 1 Timothy 1:19 which you quoted? I can't seem to find them. Surely you didn't just make the up or inject them did you?
What is that? Some kind of double speak? The passage in Isaiah 66 says Zion. Please show where Mary is called Zion.
BTW There are other passages in the Old Testament that point to the woman in Revelation being Israel. Jacob with the sun, moon, and stars obeying him is another.
>>Why are you wasting my time and yours?<<
I'm not wasting my time. The apostasy of Catholicism must be exposed.
The first sentence is true. The remainder is an attempt to force the scriptures to conform to theology, rather than have theology conform to all the scriptures. Are you asserting that babies are unsaved ?
So baptism saves except that if you don’t add works, it doesn’t.
And communion saves except that if you don’t add works, it doesn’t.
And confirmation saves, except that if you don’t add works it doesn’t.
And faith saves, except that if you don’t add works, it doesn’t.
And atheists can be saved, even if they don’t believe, but if they have works, they are.
Anid God’s grace saves, except if you don’t have works, you lose it.
The only common denominator is works.
And Catholics tell us with a straight face that Catholicism is not a works based religion and they don’t believe in salvation by works and they expect us to believe them????
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
-- James, second chapter according to a Catholic, verses twenty through twenty-four according to a Catholic turned Protestant, and all that without striking through a single word of the KJV.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.