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Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-15-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation

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1 posted on 01/16/2015 8:03:35 AM PST by Salvation
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Faith is not alone, Scripture is not alone, Grace is not alone. We ought not separate what God has joined.

Catholic Ping!

2 posted on 01/16/2015 8:05:19 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

There are a lot of comments at the site.

http://blog.adw.org/2015/01/faith-is-not-alone-scripture-is-not-alone-grace-is-not-alone-we-ought-not-separate-what-god-has-joined/


3 posted on 01/16/2015 8:06:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I like John Calvin's quote:
'We are saved by Faith alone, but Faith that saves is never alone'
4 posted on 01/16/2015 8:10:42 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Salvation
"The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me)"

The last three words represent the fatal problem with this Romanist.

5 posted on 01/16/2015 8:13:08 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation

“This is the claim that Scripture alone is the measure of faith and the sole authority for the Christian, that there is no need for a Church and no authority in the Church, that there is only authority in the Scripture.”

How is Scripture the “measure” of faith? No need for a church? Perhaps he’s taking on some form of Protestantism that doesn’t derive from Luther, Calvin, or Knox (or Wesley). Heck, knocking down straw men is easy. Why doesn’t he just accuse Protestants of praying to statues?


6 posted on 01/16/2015 8:20:53 AM PST by cdcdawg
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...Faith that saves is never alone

I think that dove-tails nicely with James' comments on faith & works.

7 posted on 01/16/2015 8:22:04 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Dutchboy88
"The problem of the “solos” emerges (it seems to me)"

The last three words represent the fatal problem with this Romanist.

IMO he creates a straw man when he refers to the "Solas" as "solos". But ignorant Catholics will eat this up like cake.

8 posted on 01/16/2015 8:24:16 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: jonno
There are three kinds of faith:
  1. Dead faith--that affects only the intellect. One knows (in his head the truth, but it goes no further.
  2. Demonic faith--it affects not only the intellect, but also the emotions--even the demons believe--and tremble.
  3. Saving Faith--affects the intellect, the emotions, and prompts the believer to act. Disciples try to imitate their master--and do everything he does. Not only in this world, but with Jesus as well.

9 posted on 01/16/2015 8:28:51 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Salvation

“So it seems clear that Scripture is not meant to be alone. Scripture itself says this in 2 Peter 3:16: our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, Our Brother Paul speaking of these things [the Last things] as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Hence Scripture itself warns that it is quite possible to misinterpret Scripture.”

This is particularly egregious. For starters, he tells us in this same piece that there was no such thing as Scripture until the 4th Century. How could Paul be talking about Scripture when it didn’t exist for another 300 years? Also, Paul wrote his letters largely to give sound doctrine to the early Church. Why did he have to write them? Was he just noodling some suggestions? Maybe some teachings were flying off course without the much-dreaded Scripture.


10 posted on 01/16/2015 8:29:46 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: Alex Murphy
"IMO he creates a straw man when he refers to the "Solas" as "solos". But ignorant Catholics will eat this up like cake."

And, who would expect a papist to understand Latin? But, you are right, the Tiber Team will line up for more of this folk religion.

11 posted on 01/16/2015 8:30:16 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation
Well then, where is the truth to be found? The Scriptures once again answer this: you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

Again! Can Catholics never read things in context? If we read both verse 14 and 15 "I am writing you these instructions so that ... you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household".

How in the world can you promote a verse as proof that truth in found in the church when the verse states that the written letter is instruction for conduct in the church?

I agree the truth is found in the true church, but how do you get from "follow what I write" to "follow what the church says"? They are opposed unless the church follows the written word. And this is the meaning of sola scriptura. The scripture is the rule. The church is to follow the rule. The church is not the rule. The church is not the true church unless it follows the rule.

12 posted on 01/16/2015 8:36:19 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: Dutchboy88

Are you talking about the words, “The Word of God?”


13 posted on 01/16/2015 8:39:16 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

This should prove interesting. Thanks!


14 posted on 01/16/2015 8:40:16 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Alex Murphy

When you say “he” are you referring to God or too Monsignor Pope?


15 posted on 01/16/2015 8:40:38 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

1. Faith alone - Paul said we are saved by faith, not works, lest any man should boast. Paul also warned about evil conduct.

2. Grace alone - an attribute of God

3. Scripture alone - If someone can’t read, they need to be guided by someone who has confidence in scripture. Also, scripture is not to be used for personal interpretation. The church acts as a shepherd, not as an institution that dispenses salvation, as this priest believes. Also, the early Christians relied on the Old Testament.


16 posted on 01/16/2015 8:44:40 AM PST by odawg
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To: Salvation

So beautifully expressed, magnanimous, and with brotherly kindness


17 posted on 01/16/2015 8:48:30 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Tao Yin

James 2: 17-26 ...A stern warning from Saint James
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So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
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You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
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Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
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Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
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Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
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See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
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And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
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For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


18 posted on 01/16/2015 8:48:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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So beautifully expressed, magnanimous, and with brotherly kindness

Spittake

19 posted on 01/16/2015 8:51:00 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Tao Yin

You belive in Scripture, correct?

 

Then why don't you believe this?

 

John 21: (We'll be using the KJV today to keep things on even footing): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

 

The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.


20 posted on 01/16/2015 8:51:29 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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