Posted on 01/18/2015 8:33:58 AM PST by ADSUM
> Adsum, Are you then saying that if I am not a Roman Catholic that I have sinned against the Holy Spirit and thus not saved? <
>A simple yes or no will be a sufficient answer.<
Yes, that's what he's saying. It's wrong however.
Rejecting Jesus is what keeps you out of Heaven.
Your comment: “In other words, they were rejecting Christ.
To reject Christ is the only unforgiveable sin”
Then many here seem to reject God by rejecting His Word and rejecting His Church.
Your church doesn't claim that Mary escaped death. They only stated that her body didn't rot in the grave but was glorified and taken to heaven before anyone else would be. Because Mary DID die, she cannot be sinless because death is the consequence of sin. Jesus' death on the cross was because He took upon Himself the sins of all humanity - past, present and future - and not due to His OWN sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23) What is firmly rooted in Scripture IS that ALL mankind are sinners and we can never be as righteous as God without the imputed righteousness of Christ given to us by the grace of God through faith. Mary's salvation from her own sin came through the same kind of faith in Jesus Christ as ALL will who receive the gift of everlasting life.
Excellent answer, my FRiend. Jesus IS the answer, not the RCC or the Pope. I rest in the assurance given to us that salvation is the result of accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
Hey, y'all can believe whatever you like, just don't think that whatever you like should be believed as mandatory in order to be saved. Scripture DOES teach that it contains all that is necessary for us to know the way of salvation. The Apostle John said what was written was so we would believe in Christ and have eternal life through His name. Paul wrote to Timothy that:
Where Roman Catholicism went off the rails was when they decided they had authority OVER God's word and could make whatever they decided was the truth binding upon all Christians. What is being objected to is the Roman Catholic church declaring ONLY Catholics who believe in everything the magesterium decrees will be saved and no one can be saved outside of the Roman Catholic church. When you are challenged to prove your doctrines by Scripture, it is only following the example of those early church fathers who asserted the same thing. They essentially said, don't believe anything we say if we can't show you it in Scripture. The Reformers were NOT making a demand that had not already been made from the start.
One thing you ARE correct about, Roman Catholics should stop pretending that their novel doctrines are backed up by Scripture. It only gets exposed as bogus when a passage is interpreted, reinterpreted, twisted like a pretzel and common words get redefined in order to rationalize what is already a pretty weak argument to start with. Might as well stop pretending what Scripture says matters.
Jesus is not the judge. He’s the savior.
God is the judge.
No wonder Catholics are so messed up about salvation.
Jesus came to seek and save the lost. He’s the good shepherd who looks for the lost sheep. He yoke is easy and His burden light.
Our life is hidden in christ with God. That means that all born again believers are under His protection.
All He is going to do is evaluate our works. His judgment is not for salvation.
Judgment for salvation is God’s department and it will be based on people’s works, just like they want it to be.
Your assumption: “Because Mary DID die, she cannot be sinless because death is the consequence of sin.”
You don’t know that the Blessed Mother died and your statement of the Blessed Mother’s sins is contrary to the determination of Jesus Christ’s Church and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
You seem to ignore God’s ability to do all things for Mary like the Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity and the Assumption.
Mary, the Mother of God, was a humble servant that did God’s will and sacrified so much for her son Jesus. She is our role model to do God’s will.
Mary’s pivotal role in salvation history did not end with her giving birth to the Son of God, but rather continues to the present time.
If we were to take 1 Timothy 2:5 (above) in a sense that bars the participation of others in Christ’s mediation, then we would have to admit that we should not ask anybody to pray for us, nor should we pray for others.
But that is an unbiblical position! If we acknowledge that we can pray for each other as members of the Body of Christ (e.g., 1 Thessalonians 5:25; 2 Thessalonians 1:11), then surely we would want the prayers of the woman whom all generations call blessed (Lk. 1:48). After all, not even death can separate the members of God’s family (cf. Rom. 8:38-39).
metmom, Your post #206 is technically right, and I stand corrected. In my “short” answer, I was lumping too much together and meaning judgement to be defined as God judges us sinners and unworthy, but Jesus intervenes, and God then sees us covered in the Blood of Jesus and now worthy for salvation.
Your answer better describes what technically happens. :)
Wow. Your comment: “Jesus is not the judge. He’s the savior.”
For your information Jesus is God, the Son of God and part of the Trinity.
He will also judge us upon our death and will come again in the Final Judgement.
Your comment: “All He is going to do is evaluate our works. His judgment is not for salvation”
So you do recognize works. That is positive and not what some have said.
Of course we pray for each other and covet the prayers of our friends and family. I can ask my brother to pray for me, but I cannot ask my deceased Dad to pray for me. Assuming that one can call upon dead Saints and Mary to pray for us would necessitate that these saints and Mary have some god-like ability to hear us.
Having an ability to hear the pleas of millions of people on earth, all at the same time, and sort them out, and relay them to God the Father, would be a BIG thing, a thing worthy of mention in the Bible, don't you think. But it is nowhere mentioned.
The scriptures, however, do tell us how Jesus taught us to pray, and He didn't mention praying to or through dead saints or His Mother.
To reject Christ is the only unforgiveable sin”
Then many here seem to reject God by rejecting His Word and rejecting His Church.
Nope. It's about Christ.
He never said, "come follow Me and my church." It's about Him and Him alone.
And she's up for a promotion if catholicism has its way.
You are aware there is a petition going around to declare a fifth marian dogma....right?
The proclamation of the Dogma of Mary Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate by the Holy Father will enable the Mother of Jesus to shower the world with a historic outpouring of grace, redemption, and peace in a new and dynamic way—an event which Marian apparitions like Fatima refer to as the “Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”
http://www.fifthmariandogma.com/
And here we Christians were thinking it was Christ that did all of this for us.
This is why Christians reject catholic teachings.
This from one of the sites that came up when I googled the subject:
It is part of the rich tradition of our Catholic faith to petition the popes regarding the proclamation of Marian dogmas. For example, millions of petitions by the Christian faithful led to the dogmas of the Immaculate Conception (1854) and the Assumption (1950). With every Marian dogma, extraordinary graces are poured upon the world through Our Lady’s most powerful intercession.
Petitioning for dogmas? Must be a new kind of bingo night.
As explained by Pope John Paul II:
Crucified spiritually with her crucified Son (cf. Gal. 2:20), she contemplated with heroic love the death of her God, she “lovingly consented to the immolation of this Victim which she herself had brought forth” (LG 58) … as she was in a special way close to the Cross of her Son, she also had to have a privileged experience of his Resurrection. In fact, Mary’s role as co-redemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son.[1]
Through faith and Baptism, we become God’s children by adoption and participate in the divine life. As new creations in Christ, we cooperate in His redemptive work. While this is true of all Christians, it is most perfectly true of Mary, who was never wounded or enslaved by sin and therefore was perfectly free to give herself completely to Christ.
Kinda takes away the argument of Peter and the successive popes having been appointed as "head" of the church.
If the pope is the head of the church, why does he need an opinion poll, or a groundswell of opinion, to declare a dogma.
If this is "true" then the pope should just declare it. That he doesn't tells me it isn't.
I don't think that's true. Perhaps he doesn't want to pay the eternal price for declaring something so ridiculous as 'true'. But that hasn't stopped others.
False premise leads to false theology.
As shown on this board time and time again, Mary was a sinner.
A well catechized Catholic would know!
Seem to?
Watch out!
The DOUBT is creeping in!
Pay the man; Shirley!
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