Posted on 01/18/2015 8:33:58 AM PST by ADSUM
You don’t know that the Blessed Mother lives in Heaven.
Are you SURE?
You have ZERO facts to back up this assumption!
I'll bet your garden has the greenest vegetables ion the neighborhood!
The whole Blessed Mother title given by catholicism to Mary is another man-made non-biblical title designed to elevate her to something not accorded to her in the Bible.
Matthew 28
18* g Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19h Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20i teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.* And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
The Fathers do affirm the inherent danger in deliberately rejecting the Church. For example, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote at the turn of the second century, “Be not deceived, my brethren; if anyone follows a maker of schism, he does not inherit the kingdom of God” (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3). In the third century, St. Cyprian of Carthage wrote, “whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an alien, a worldling, and an enemy” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1). In the fourth century, St. Jerome wrote, “Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation” (Commentary on Titus 3:10-11).
You don’t know that the Blessed Mother lives in Heaven
Where do you think she is if not with her Son?
I hope you apologize profusely if you ever get the chance to meet her.
Didn't see anything about being a part of the Roman Catholic church in that passage.
I do see a requirement to be a follower of Christ and all that entails.
The Fathers do affirm the inherent danger in deliberately rejecting the Church. For example, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote at the turn of the second century, “Be not deceived, my brethren; if anyone follows a maker of schism, he does not inherit the kingdom of God” (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3). In the third century, St. Cyprian of Carthage wrote, “whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an alien, a worldling, and an enemy” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1). In the fourth century, St. Jerome wrote, “Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation” (Commentary on Titus 3:10-11).
Let's put Titus 3 in a little more context shall we....you know context...some the rcc is not familiar with.
NASB Titus 3:4-10
Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
2to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.
3For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.
9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
11knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
If you don't have faith in Christ you have separated yourself from Him. If you don't have faith in Christ you more than likely are not going to church. Though going to church doesn't make you a Christian. Only faith in Christ does.
What an absolutely clueless thing to say! There was NO such authority. Do you actually believe God left it up to mere men to tell HIM what of His words they would accept and what they would reject??? Sorry, pal, God says something, you better obey Him or face the consequences. If Jesus chided the Jewish religious leaders for their ignorance of Scripture in not recognizing their own Messiah, then how can you possibly imagine He would go easy on any future church leaders? Believers received the writings of the Apostles AS the sacred Scripture. They didn't tell Paul, for example, that they would read it and get back to him!
If anyone ever doubts that the Catholic Church is a cult they only need listen to you.
There is a phrase in the bible: the Dead in Christ.
I think it applies to Jesus' mother quite accurately.
Is it MY fault that you Catholics failed to record her burial place; and now are backpedaling trying to come up with something?
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
14 For this we say unto you in the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them who have slept.
15 For the Lord himself shall come down from heaven with commandment, and with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead who are in Christ, shall rise first.
16 Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, into the air, and so shall we be always with the Lord.
17 Wherefore, comfort ye one another with these words.
Did the Virgin Mary Die Before Her Assumption?
Answer: From the earliest Christian traditions surrounding the Assumption, the answer to the question of whether the Blessed Virgin died like all men do has been "yes." The Feast of the Assumption was first celebrated in the sixth century in the Christian East, where it was known as the Dormition of the Most Holy Theotokos (the Mother of God). To this day, among Eastern Christians, both Catholic and Orthodox, the traditions surrounding the Dormition are based on a fourth-century document called "The Account of St. John the Theologian of the Falling Asleep of the Holy Mother of God." (Dormition means "the falling asleep.")
Why is it that you don't even know what your church tells you to believe?
You'll have to go back more than four hundred years before the Reformation to see that it was the Roman Catholic church which broke this so-called unity when they went into schism with the Greek Orthodox over the very doctrines you are proudly extolling - papal primacy being one of the biggies. They don't accept Purgatory, either, and see that as just another example of Rome's novel doctrines that were not believed always by everyone and everywhere.
The Scriptures were given to us so that we could have an objective AND authoritative resource to know truth from error. The Roman Catholic church is NOT the authority.
Record her burial place??? They didn't even think she was important enough keep track of after Pentecost. Not word!!! They don't know where she lived. There are even Catholics here who claim they don't even know if she died or not. Oh, but they do celebrate the "dormition" (death) of Mary!. LOL
The Catholics even deny the words of their own early church fathers which claimed sola scriptura. So they have even broken away from them.
boatbums write: “Do you actually believe God left it up to mere men to tell HIM what of His word”
Is this the childish dialogue we are having here? Written words did not fall from the skies and magically assemble themselves into chapter and verse. They were part of the oral traditions that was transcribed Much was transcribed. Much of it was not: John 21: 25:
“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.” (Douay-Rheims Bible)
What were transcribed had to looked over by the early Church fathers (theologians) who painstakingly over decades under Petrine authority included some and discard others like the Gnostic gospels and the gospel of St. Thomas.
At the time of the Nicean Council, there were basically hundreds of Christian sects with hundreds of differing Gospels. The council was created to unify Christian theology and belief in order to prevent conflict. The church fathers who met decided on the Gospels that we’re all familiar with now as they were the most common amongst the varying sects. The Gospels of Thomas, Judas, Mary, Phillip, etc were discarded because the texts didn’t represent the majority of Christianity at the time.
From all this came one Credo with belief in the Holy Eucharist as the source, center, and summit of all Catholic worship for all ages. The historical and biblical reference to inter-cessionary prayer and the veneration of relics goes back to Biblical times as the referenced in the earlier posts.
As then we have this gem of “Bible-Christian” “theology” that God gave each one in his heart to interpret the scripture. This is the stuff for kindergartners. Go tell that to the followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh. Snake-handling Christians make the same argument as do every corner street self-appointed pastor who thinks they can “authoritatively” interpret scripture. Eminent theologians simply laugh this stuff off as truly an “absolutely clueless thing to say.”
This is precisely why we have the nonsense of the Joel Osteens, Billy Grahams, and Rev. Jeremiah Wrights of this world. The folly of the Reformation that have let loose a diverse and often contradictory assortment of interpretations.
Say it ain't so!. Can't be. There was no schism until Luther. Catholics say so!!!
>>As then we have this gem of “Bible-Christian” “theology” that God gave each one in his heart to interpret the scripture.<<
Sometimes when Catholics make statements it makes them look really ill equipped to be discussing anything in scripture. 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Now who was it again that said that?
>>This is the stuff for kindergartners<<
You may want to check with who inspired John to write those words before making stupid comments like that.
>>Eminent theologians simply laugh this stuff off as truly an “absolutely clueless thing to say.”<<
So much for your "eminent theologians. I'll take the Holy Spirit's words through John.
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