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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear

Not all Catholics head for that road. This Catholic is very disappointed when seeing such a post from another Catholic.


321 posted on 01/25/2015 9:23:32 AM PST by rwa265
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To: don-o
If that is true, then you are dead in your sins because Jesus of Nazareth has disappeared.

He died and his terrestrial body was turned into a celestial body...He went to heaven...I don't think I would say he disappeared...

And this has been dealt with in the past. Please consider that herein lies the necessity of understanding what exactly was (and still is) at stake with the Seven Ecumenical Councils.

Those councils that accuse non Catholics of being anathema...Those councils where they couldn't get unanimous consent (or any thing close to it) on anything...

As a born again Christian, I have no interest in Catholic councils...

322 posted on 01/25/2015 9:23:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: CynicalBear

Yes, he was. The Bible says, “all have sinned.”. It does not add, “except Mary.”


323 posted on 01/25/2015 9:26:14 AM PST by MamaB
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To: rwa265

I have noticed that and commend you.


324 posted on 01/25/2015 9:27:03 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie; NYer
In my new book, Behold Your Mother: A Biblical and Historical Defense of the Marian Doctrines, which is now available at a reduced price if you pre-order before the October release date, I spend most of its pages in classic apologetic defense of Mary as Mother of God, defending her immaculate conception, perpetual virginity, assumption into heaven, her Queenship, and her role in God’s plan of salvation as Co-redemptrix and Mediatrix.

I wonder if the author puts a warning in there to avoid checking references in the bible at all cost...It is detrimental to your Catholicology...

325 posted on 01/25/2015 9:27:15 AM PST by Iscool
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To: delchiante

I wasn’t showing “Latin bent” or “Rome bent”. I showed what the words in the original Greek were. Whatever Roman Catholicism added to that you can argue with but the name of Jesus is given in scripture. I do NOT have my faith in a counterfeit. If you want to play that Catholic projection game go find someone else to play with. I can go with you on much of what you say but when you counter what scripture teaches you’re on your own.


326 posted on 01/25/2015 9:31:19 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

I can tell which church is spirit filled after one service. Some are dead as a hammer. Others make me feel like I am going to receive God’s blessing. From the masses I have seen parts of, they are dead. One other thing, choirs and people should learn to enunciate. Just a pet peeve of mine.


327 posted on 01/25/2015 9:34:09 AM PST by MamaB
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To: Iscool

good point

Is Mary all that different than old Testament prophets? They fulfilled their assigned roles and went right back to being ordinary and often sinful humans. Plenty of them displeased God later on. At least Mary didn’t do that. But many have basically turned her into a Goddess and that is wrong.


328 posted on 01/25/2015 9:35:38 AM PST by GeronL
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To: don-o

Nestorius emphasizes the disunion between the human and divine natures of Jesus. There is no “disunion” and it’s connotation. However, Jesus was fully man and fully God. We cannot understand that nor should we attempt to. Jesus at time spoke as a mere man at other times He spoke as God/man. There is no way for the mind of man to understand how that works. If Jesus spoke at times as a mere man we can accept that He understood the difference. For Catholics to go beyond the words the Holy Spirit used when calling Mary the “mother of Jesus” is to inject inferred meaning and is going beyond what the Holy Spirit had written.


329 posted on 01/25/2015 9:40:46 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM

The Bible tells us how to be saved and it is our instruction manual for a Christian life. Thankfully, we do not need traditions and lies.


330 posted on 01/25/2015 9:45:15 AM PST by MamaB
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To: metmom

What have I been posting all along?


You have been posting that Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Do you agree that it is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?


331 posted on 01/25/2015 9:46:20 AM PST by rwa265
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To: ADSUM
>>You reject the teachings of Jesus to Eat His Body and Blood that He sacrificed for you and stated that it was necessary for your salvation.<

I accept ALL of Christ's teaching. Even when He said the words He was using were spiritual and the flesh would profit nothing. I also accept the fact that when Jeremiah was told to "eat the scroll" it didn't mean to literally eat the papyrus.

332 posted on 01/25/2015 9:49:44 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan

It must be hard to read the truth. Read the Bible. Jesus is the answer, the only answer.


333 posted on 01/25/2015 9:49:56 AM PST by MamaB
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To: SkyDancer; PeterPrinciple
Since Mary was born sinless then her mother must have been without sin and her mother before her ....ect. Since Mary is in the lineage of David and David sinned ... so just wondering ....

A good question. The answer is "no". Mary’s preservation from original sin was accomplished in anticipation of her Son’s redemptive work. Therefore, Jesus is also Mary’s Savior. Because of what he would do on the cross, this grace was given to her early. The gracious character of this blessing is also the reason that Anne and Joachim did not need to have it: It was a grace God could give to anyone at any time. He chose to give it to Mary to make her a fitting mother for his Son.

This grace was not given to Anne and Joachim because it was not fitting for them to have the same precise graces as Christ’s own mother, who bore him in her womb. No doubt they were very blessed in many ways, but not as blessed as their daughter.

334 posted on 01/25/2015 10:01:35 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Iscool

Amen.


335 posted on 01/25/2015 10:07:13 AM PST by MamaB
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To: I-ambush

Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds.

We are NEVER free of sin experientially in this body.

Positionally, in Christ, we are.

However, what Catholics call being in a state of grace, IOW, being free of sin, is not found in Scripture.


336 posted on 01/25/2015 10:09:32 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Cynical - believing that people are generally selfish and dishonest.

What percentage of people would you say are selfish and dishonest? Given the depravity of man I believe it works. ;-)

337 posted on 01/25/2015 10:09:49 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
So it is IMPOSSIBLE for Mary to be the mother of Jesus without being the mother of God.

Not true.

God has no mother.

By claiming that Mary is the mother of God, it says NOTHING about His humanity. It completely ignores it, thus denigrating the Incarnation.

338 posted on 01/25/2015 10:11:32 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3250321/posts?page=89#89


339 posted on 01/25/2015 10:12:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Iscool
At what point did Jesus cease to be the man who was born in Bethlehem and turn into somebody else?

I'm surprised that there is so little understanding about the resurrection and how God the Father transformed God the Son.

340 posted on 01/25/2015 10:12:18 AM PST by wmfights
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