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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: MamaB
Thanks for the memories.

Roger that. I had heard of the Blackeood Brothers. If you ever heard of Nancy Honeytree, I met her once, while she was singing gospel music. I met Nicky Cruz, of cross and switchblade fame too. 😄😄😊 He was preaching the gospel in Del Rio by golly, Texas. Keep up the good work. 🆒

1,601 posted on 01/29/2015 4:59:50 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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To: boatbums
NOPE...all Christianity....and the neat thing is that you don't even have to believe it....it's true anyway!! The Greek Orthodox would disagree with you as would everyone else NOT Roman Catholic.

The Eastern schism did, indeed, deny the authority of the Pope....that changes nothing....when they return to the fold, and they will, we will all again be under his direct authority. As far as the remainder of Christianity is concerned....they decided to change whatever rules that they didn't like and they did so. Never mind the seven Sacraments, never mind transubstantiation, never mind Penance nor Holy Orders, Infant Baptism, who needs it??...The Eucharist, merely a symbolic meal with no real meaning....and the Popes from Peter on down, oh well we are now all our own Popes and make our own rules...

Good luck with that....sounds like free for all time at the local kindergarden..

1,602 posted on 01/29/2015 5:10:59 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: MamaB
Yep. I can not believe the junk they believe.

ALL CHRISTIANS believed it until the revolution....doesn't that mean anything to you???....For one thousand six hundred years EVERYONE WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN believed it and then the revolutionaries told us all that the Catholics were wrong.......I don't think so.

1,603 posted on 01/29/2015 5:16:55 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: boatbums; Mark17
I could recommend that you get used to the heat....but that wouldn't be prudent, would it.. Said TC right after he said this about Muslims:

I was, of course, tossing a harmless dig at Mark17 and I indicated it as such....don't take everything so seriously....:) :) :) :)

1,604 posted on 01/29/2015 5:22:19 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Gamecock
religion that causes so much concern about your own salvation that you can't worry about the salvation of others is not worth being a member of! Forces one to jettison the Great Commission.

I merely pointed out my own time constraints...at Mass, when we are asked to pray for special intentions, I remember ALL who aren't blessed with membership in Christ's Catholic church.

I don't know all their names so I kind of include them in a lump request!!...

1,605 posted on 01/29/2015 5:28:00 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl; Gamecock
I was, of course, tossing a harmless dig at Mark17 and I indicated it as such....don't take everything so seriously....:) :) :) :)

Don't worry about it bro. I get my share of digs in too. I am not, however, planning to swim the Tiber, because if I do, Gamecock is going to do GBI to me 😄😇😀

1,606 posted on 01/29/2015 5:35:20 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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To: metmom
Wrong. Life itself cannot die. The thing that conquered death wasn't the death of God, but of a sinless man whom death could not hold because the power of death is then broken. Death is the penalty for sin. When the sinless man, Jesus, died, that power was broken.

Amazing...a brand new concept of redemption. Well, I guess when you are your own Pope, you can write encyclicals and everything....and the phrase what you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven...applies now to you...I'm impressed!!!!

1,607 posted on 01/29/2015 5:35:45 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: metmom
Now you have been educated that you are wrong and now you don't need to continue believing the errors you have been taught by the Catholic church.

WOW, thanks....Biblehub.com eh?? I knew that there was an inerrant source somewwhere and silly me, I always thought that it was the 2,015 year old Catholic church....Live and learn I guess!!

1,608 posted on 01/29/2015 5:40:08 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: metmom
That’s a lousy excuse for explaining away how and why Mary died even though she was (allegedly) sinless.

Where did you ever read that she died???? (other than on here)

1,609 posted on 01/29/2015 5:42:09 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: NYer

I like to read these threads, although they always seem to devolve into the same arguments.

Relative to the original post - this may have been covered, sorry if it was (hard to read 1600 posts to find out). Can someone help me understand the following paragraph (as a start, at least). I don’t understand how the author reaches the conclusion in the next to last sentence that the second person of the Trinity is no longer the Eternal Son if we don’t accept Mary as the “Mother of God”?

“But there is just a little problem here. Beyond the fact that you don’t even need the term “Son” at all to determine Mary is the Mother God because John 1:14 tells us “the Word was made flesh,” and John 1:1 tells us “the Word was God;” thus, Mary is the mother of the Word and so she is the Mother of God anyway, the sad fact is that in the process of Martin’s theologizing he ended up losing the real Jesus. Notice, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity is no longer the Eternal Son! And it gets worse from here, if that is possible! Martin would go on:”


1,610 posted on 01/29/2015 5:53:09 PM PST by utford
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To: metmom
Or we can follow Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

I need to know how you do that. You sit down with a Bible. We all agree that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

The Bible that you hold was preserved over the centuries by the Catholic Church.

All Catholics believe all the scriptures that are in your Bible.

You believe all the scriptures that are in your Bible.

The scriptures tell us that Christ founded the Christian church....Catholics believe that and you believe that.

Catholicism is the oldest Christian church.

Everybody knows that.

The Catholic church has been under the guidance of the Holy Spirit from the beginning....I will be with you from now until the end of time.

If you are actually following scripture and The Holy Spirit, then you are also following the Catholic church....there is no other possibility...NONE!!

1,611 posted on 01/29/2015 5:55:43 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Mark17
I was throwing life preservers to people in the middle of the Tiber, if you catch my drift 🆒😇
1,612 posted on 01/29/2015 6:02:16 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl; metmom; 2nd amendment mama; daniel1212; boatbums
Live and learn I guess!!

Learn? I think not. Otherwise you would left that false, man made religion like me and others have done. Don't be so scared of your own church. There is life after the RCC. Think of all the things that they can't tell you to do, like go to mass and all those other false dead works. It is truly emancipating. Try it, you will like it. The worst thing that can happen, is you might gain Heaven as you lose a religion. How about it folks? Care to start a ping list, ex catholics for Christ, like ex Mormons for Christ? 😄😇🆒😃

1,613 posted on 01/29/2015 6:11:38 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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To: metmom
You know what one eats at them the most? It's the *Don't have to go to church* one.

Seems to me that one of the original ten commandments said something about keeping holy the sabbath

And Catholics have the MASS, and they have the person, body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ at every DAILY Mass....we shouldn't ever consider it an obligation, we should rejoice at the opportunity and most do.

Humans are, by nature a little weak so the church, as mankinds guide to Christ, pushes us a little and insists that we do things for our own good....Kind of like a LOVING PARENT would.

1,614 posted on 01/29/2015 6:13:51 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl

If it isn’t in the Bible, it is wrong. I do not care what tradition says.


1,615 posted on 01/29/2015 6:22:35 PM PST by MamaB
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To: terycarl

Where in the Bible does it say being Catholic will get you to heaven?


1,616 posted on 01/29/2015 6:24:31 PM PST by MamaB
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To: terycarl

Oh, baloney.


1,617 posted on 01/29/2015 6:26:46 PM PST by MamaB
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To: Mark17
LOL, there you go again. So you are a correctional officer at some so called maximum security juvie joint, if there even is such a thing

Yeah, there is and there is a major difference. You dealt with adults....big time losers and your main job was to keep them comfined and keep them from killing you or one another....a thankless job at best.

My job, on the other hand, besides the things outlined above, was to try to work with, influence as an intelligent male adult (which many of them never knew), educate them in the proper way to live in the world, convince them that our chaplin could do them some good, teach them a respect for females which few of them had, keep them from thinking that they were getting away with anything, insist that they accomplished what our school was trying to teach them (MANY got their G.E.D's,)and instill in them a pride in themselves that was not based on their street skills, their physical prowess, but their value as humans and men.

There is a whole lot of difference in keeping a lion in a cage and helping a seriously misguided youth get back on the right track....and in my opinion only, you are sliding a little.

1,618 posted on 01/29/2015 6:30:52 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: MamaB
Mark has more and better experience. Don’t try to outdo him.

I am 76 years old and I have been there and done that and you would be hard pressed to make the "there" and the "that" into anything routine

1,619 posted on 01/29/2015 6:35:24 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl; MamaB; 2nd amendment mama; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; Elsie; Gamecock
I was throwing life preservers to people in the middle of the Tiber, if you catch my drift 🆒😇

LOL, I am going to do it again tomorrow, but I have to go buy more life preservers. In fact, never a day goes by, that I don't try to lead others from the cults to the truth. It is a blessing to see people leave the cults. They rather like it too. 🆒. I always tell the truth. I love it, and I love getting away with all kinds of things that you can't. I noticed you had no response to my revelation to you, that I got more experiences behind the walls than you do. I spent a ton of time on death row at San Quentin. Have you ever done that?

1,620 posted on 01/29/2015 6:35:35 PM PST by Mark17 (Calvary's love will sail forever, bright and shining, strong n free. Like an ark of peace and safety)
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