Posted on 02/08/2015 5:56:52 AM PST by infool7
I have been meaning to write this up for months, as it is a regular question that lands in the ol’ inbox. It is on people’s minds, both inside and outside the Church, especially with the imbecilic, contra-educated words and deeds coming out of the Bishop of Rome in these dark, dark days. It is time to explain this clearly and forthrightly, because it is actually one of the truths that was most persuasive and attractive in my conversion process. Why? Because the explanation is logical, coherent, and satisfyingly beautiful.
This statement is TRUE:
There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.
The reason why almost everyone in post-Christian western culture today blanches at this is because we have been taught to deny that there is, in fact, any such thing as “truth”. ONE TRUTH. We have been savagely propagandized and manipulated to accept that 2+2 equals 4, AND 7, and 8,349,085 – if that is what someone else wants. Because there is “my truth” and “your truth” and “we each have our own truth”, and “life is a journey of discovering our own truth”. The infiltrators have not only torn down the entire notion of truth via soft, cultural means, but also through the hardest of the hard sciences – MATHEMATICS. Were you taught logic at any point within the context of mathematics? Do you know what a “truth table” is? If you are under the age of 45, almost certainly not. Logic is the use and study of valid reasoning, that is, truth and falsity. Thus, it was totally scrubbed from math curricula in the western world by the infiltrators by necessity, because logic is the hammer that instantly smashes the vast majority of the staggering, staggering bullshit that we are all, as we speak, drowning in. The reason why even functionally intelligent people today simply cannot parse current events and get their heads around what should be extremely simple-to-grasp dynamics is because people have been conditioned to view as normal – if not virtuous – the simultaneous holding of utterly contradictory positions.
So, there is exactly, precisely ONE TRUTH, and thus, there must be by mathematical definition, be exactly, precisely ONE CHURCH. There CANNOT be multiple “churches”, which, by definition, hold contradictory positions (hence their distinctiveness one from another), because two contradictory things CANNOT BOTH BE TRUE. And we know that there is a CHURCH, because Our Lord Himself in the Gospels made repeated mention of it, not the least of which was this hard-to-get-around statement:
“Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH.”
So we know, just from that, that Our Lord does have, in fact, a Church, and that He has ONE Church, because he used the singular form of the noun. This doesn’t even take into consideration the Holy Spirit’s extensive discussion of the Church as the Body and Bride of Christ through the pen of St. Paul in his epistles. Look, when God Almighty, Incarnate, says, “I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH”, all debates about whether or not there even is a Church ends. If a person is so far gone that they can’t grind their way through that gearbox, then there’s nothing I or anyone else can do.
Now let’s discuss what the Church is. The Church consists of THREE PARTS: 1. The Church Militant – this is the Church on Earth, this is what we the living see. 2. The Church Suffering – this is Purgatory, where the souls of the saved go to be purged of all attachment to sin so that they might enter into the presence of God – the Beatific Vision. 3. The Church Triumphant – this is the Beatific Vision, The Most Holy Trinity, the angels and saints dwelling inside, pondering, adoring and worshipping God from the inside.
Some day, both the Church Militant and the Church Suffering will cease to exist. The earth, the physical universe, will someday cease to exist, and there will be no additional human beings made. The reason God has not yet brought about what we call “The end of the world” is because there are not yet enough human beings. God wants more people for heaven. Including the babies conceived by the poor, in violent or disordered circumstances, and by women who have already had multiple c-sections. GOD, not Pope Francis, determines how many humans there should be, and God is very, very clear on this question. He. Wants. More. People. To. Love.
Since the domain of the Church Militant is the physical universe, when there is no longer a physical universe or living human beings, there will be no Church Militant. Some day, the last saved soul will be fully purged of all attachment to sin and will enter heaven, and on that day the Church Suffering will cease to exist.
The Church Triumphant, however, will always exist, because the domain of the Church Triumphant is the Triune Godhead Himself, Who Is Existence Itself. Ever pray the Gloria Patri? Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
So let’s get our LOGIC jam on now, shall we? The Church, of which there is only one, is the Body and Bride of Christ, and all of the saved either are now or eventually will be in the Church Triumphant, which indwells, now and forever, inside the Triune Godhead.
Now grind through this, and fight the contra-education you have received as a child of the post-Christian, post-Modern west. How, EXACTLY, could a person be “saved” and be OUTSIDE of the Church?
Let’s attack this from the angle of the Judgment. What happens to every person when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ.
Stop.
Do you believe this? No, seriously. Do you believe that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING, regardless of race, religious confession, time, place, or any other variable, is judged by Jesus Christ? If you do not believe this, then I really don’t see how you can possibly claim to be a Christian. Now, if you don’t like hearing this, you can go listen to Pope Francis spew some irrational, illogical, Modernist, faux-ecumenical garbage, but understand that his priority is very different from mine. I am interested in the eternal fate of your soul. Pope Francis, it seems, just wants to be popular. Let’s go through a list:
What happens to Christians when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ, and will either attain the Beatific Vision in the Church Triumphant, or be damned to hell.
What happens to Jews when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ, and will either attain the Beatific Vision in the Church Triumphant, or be damned to hell.
What happens to Hindus when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ, and will either attain the Beatific Vision in the Church Triumphant, or be damned to hell.
What happens to atheists when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ, and will either attain the Beatific Vision in the Church Triumphant, or be damned to hell.
What happens to musloids when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ, and will either attain the Beatific Vision in the Church Triumphant, or be damned to hell.
What happens to animists when they die? They are judged by Jesus Christ, and will either attain the Beatific Vision in the Church Triumphant, or be damned to hell.
Noticing a pattern? Mmmmmm?
I have an anecdote. If you recall, a few years ago I attempted to take a course on Aristotelian and Thomistic Ethics through the Archdiocese of Denver. That’s the one that the Novus Ordo Kathys asked the instructor (who was great) to throw me out of, because I didn’t respect “their truth” or whatever. Well, besides myself and the Kathys, there was one man in the class – a guy in his 60s who did nothing but sleep and talk on his cell phone. I don’t think he ever actually heard a single word the instructor said. Behavior like that REALLY chaps me. Anyway, at the last session I attended there was a discussion at the end of the class, and this guy woke up and said the following, at which I was CLIMBING THE WALLS:
“I’m a catechism teacher for the teens over at St. Xxxx’s and have been for years. The kids ask about reincarnation for the Hindus, and I tell them, “SURE, THAT’S POSSIBLE. IF THAT IS WHAT THOSE PEOPLE BELIEVE, WHY NOT? WHO’S TO SAY THAT THERE ISN’T REINCARNATION? WE DON’T KNOW.”
So, lesson one here is: DO NOT SEND YOUR KIDS TO ANY SORT OF CATECHISM CLASSES IN A NOVUS ORDO PARISH. I’m sorry, but it is just that simple. They will let ANYONE who volunteers teach, and most of these people, whether we like it or not and whether it is malicious or not, are full-blown heretics if not outright apostates. Ah, the New Pentecost (TM). Not QUITE as awesome as the original.
The second lesson is, as we discussed above, people today are so far gone that they can recite the Creed at Mass every Sunday, to wit the parts about “He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead” and “we look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come”, and then stand in front of a CATHOLIC CATECHISM CLASS and tell a bunch of kids that, sure, if Hindus believe in reincarnation, who’s to say they aren’t reincarnated? AND THEN BRAG ABOUT IT IN A CATHOLIC ADULT ED CLASS. There is zero sensation of cognitive dissonance or even tension in holding two utterly, completely contradictory positions. 2+2 equals 4. But also 762, and aren’t I just one of the cool kids because I don’t actually believe in the concept of “truth”, because I’m tolerant, and frankly, a little self-loathing, too. The mind simply reels.
Let’s focus in on the so-called Christian denominations now. Do we honestly believe that there are multiple “heavens”? Do we honestly believe that there is a Presbyterian heaven, and a Methodist heaven, and a Baptist heaven? Do we honestly believe that there is a heaven where sodomy, for example, is NOT a sin, where all of the people who believe that sodomy is great will get to go? Is there a heaven where contraception is not a sin – because ALL of the protesting sects today deny the sinfulness of contraception? Again, let’s get our logic groove rolling again. How can the Triune Godhead hold contradictory positions as both being true? Either sodomy is a sin or it isn’t. Either the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ physically, substantially present, or it isn’t. Either the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the eternal liturgy of heaven, or it isn’t. A house divided cannot stand. If God holds contradictory positions as both “true”, then there is no truth, and thus there is no God. THIS is the inevitable logical consequence of the Protestant revolt – atheism.
Now this is the part that was so compelling for me in my conversion process. What of people who cannot, through no fault of their own, either know about or enter the Church? Can these people be saved? The answer is: yes. It is possible. Let’s take all of the people, for example, who lived their lives on the North American continent in the 1450 years between the establishment of the Church by Christ in the Upper Room in ARSH 33, and the landing of Columbus in North America in ARSH 1492. How could a man born on the Great Plains in the 5th century, living his entire life 1000 years before any Christian steps foot on the same continent, making it a physical impossibility that he could have known of Christ, much less His Church, much less received baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, be saved? How could such a man, and billions of others like him over the centuries, possibly be not only saved, but saved IN THE CHURCH, outside of which there is no salvation according to the axiom? The answer is: The Natural Law. Christ judged the 5th century Plains Indian according to the Natural Law, which is indelibly inscribed on the heart of every human being by God. Is it more difficult for those outside The Church? Of course. That is why the Church is a Gift from God, and the most obvious manifestation of His love for us, even above and beyond nature and the stars. The 5th century Plains Indian could not go to the sacrament of confession and hear the words:
God, the Father of mercies, through the death and resurrection of His Son has reconciled the world to Himself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins; through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
But we CAN go to confession and we CAN hear those words, and our sins, venial and mortal, can be forgiven AT ANY TIME. The Catholic Church is a Gift from God.
And so that 5th century Plains Indian, if he lived his life in accord with the Natural Law, coupled with genuine invincible ignorance (due to physical location), made it through his Particular Judgment before Our Lord, is now far, far, far more Catholic than any of us. He knows the Mass better than the greatest liturgist alive today, because he is right there at the Altar, worshiping God in the perpetual sacrifice and immolation of the Lamb. He isn’t in some separate animist-pagan heaven for red skinned Injuns (HAD to throw that in). He is in the one and only heaven that there is, which is indwelling in the only God there is, which is His Mystical Body and Bride, Church Triumphant, which is most certainly CATHOLIC, because what the word “catholic” means is “universal” or, perhaps more accurately, “on the whole”.
And so it follows from this that Our Good God has not created one single human being “damned”. Every one of us – and scientists today speculate that there have been roughly 110 billion human beings ever – and every person who ever will be, has been knit together, atom by atom, cell by cell, personally by God who provided and provides a means and path and grace sufficient for every one of us to make it to heaven. Including the eighth consecutive child delivered by c-section. Many, many did not and will not make it, but that is our own fault.
Now, isn’t that satisfying? Doesn’t it make sense? Doesn’t it just drip with integrity and logical coherence? AND LOVE?
The big obstacle for post-Christian culture is to shake the pathological need to deny that there is, in fact, ONE TRUTH, and thus ONE CHURCH, and thus ONE TRUE RELIGION, as the world, ruled as it is by satan and his minions, calls us “intolerant”, “rigid”, “fundamentalist”, “haters”, “Nazis” and “Taliban”.
I BELIEVE that the Catholic Church is the ONE, TRUE CHURCH of Christ, instituted by Him in the Upper Room, and is now and always will be His Body and His Bride. There is only ONE Church. There is only ONE True Religion. There is only one heaven, and there is only one God, who is the One and Only Judge of every human being.
Which is why I will scream from the rooftops without the least hesitation or shame:
EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS!
OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION!
Because I actually believe it.
There are so many biblical lies in that post I couldn’t count them all...
“There are so many biblical lies in that post I couldn’t count them all...”
Biblical lies? The Bible never lies, Iscool. Anti-Catholics do, however.
I stopped reading her long ago when she jumped the shark. She’s a crazy zealot who likes the sound of her own voice.
**The Bible never lies, Iscool.**
That is correct!
I noticed that in Acts 2:41, those (about 3,000) that gladly received the word and were baptized “were added UNTO THEM”. Unto them who?........the 120 (from 1:15). Yep, they were now born again, sins remitted, sanctified (saints,...without all that cannonization ritual stuff).
THEN, we read, “then they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, and breaking of bread, and in prayers.” 2:42 (no wine mentioned). And, that they continued.........”breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart.” 2:46 (again, no wine mentioned).
Also, ‘breaking of bread’ is mentioned in 20:7 and 11 (no wine mentioned). And again in 27:35 (no wine again, and obviously just ‘getting a bite to eat’).
But let’s assume that those verses are referring to the ‘Lord’s supper’, whether one believes that it is to be taken literal, or symbolically.
That’s IT! Not ONE place in Acts (the only book that shows people being evangelized, and born again) is there any DETAILED mention of it. Not even in chapter 15, where further instruction to the new converts abroad, is the Lord’s supper discussed.
No mention of it in the DETAILED conversions of:
the Samaritans,
the Ethiopian eunuch,
Saul/Paul,
the household of Cornelius,
Lydia and her household,
the Philipian jailor and houshold,
Crispus and many others in Corinth,
the twelve disciples in Ephesus,
and even Paul’s relating his conversion again.
On the birthday of the church, when asked, “Men and brethern, what shall we do?” Peter somehow told them that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was for the remission of sins, not eating the flesh and blood of Christ.
I’m convinced it is symbolic. Or Peter (your ‘rock’) would have made it every bit as clear as baptism, if not more so.
On a side note. If you RCs take the ‘breaking of bread’ in Acts 2:42 as the Lord’s supper, that’s fine. Are you also as devoted to having ‘all things common’, and the selling of ‘possessions and goods, and parting them to all men, as every man had need’ (vss 45,46)? If so, maybe there is an RC that has more cars than he or she needs. A friend of mine could sure use one right now, and I don’t have a spare.
Good news! The Catholic Church has gone through many reforms!
Many are called, few...
“Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you."
Mockers hate wisdom.
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."
It's hard to go through life wise in your own eyes, isn't it?
Unfortunately not enough. I hope the process continues
That is why it is much more important to spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus via witnessing for HIM.
“Are you also as devoted to having ‘all things common’, and the selling of ‘possessions and goods, and parting them to all men, as every man had need’ (vss 45,46)?”
That was voluntary. Read the text closely and you’ll see that.
“If so, maybe there is an RC that has more cars than he or she needs. A friend of mine could sure use one right now, and I don’t have a spare.”
I don’t either, but I know Catholics who have given away extra cars to those in need. I am sure plenty of devout Protestants have done the same.
Most people that claim to believe in Jesus, really don’t believe. What do is engage in an intellectual exercise. But they don’t really believe it. If they believed it, they would honestly seek after Him.
They are all deceived but simply just don’t care. As if at the judgement, they can talk their way out of the choices they made in this life.
It’s not which of all these churches you claim is God’s “true” Church that matters, it’s the one God says is His true church that actually matters.
After most of the original Apostles were killed, men organized a vote and Linus was voted by the people to be the head of their church. Doing this, in fact, created a new church. One that God did NOT sanction nor approved of, nor create.
Linus could not have been the head of God’s church because there was still a living Apostle on the earth at that time.
John.
And Jesus acknowledged John’s position by speaking to him face to face and giving John a vision of man’s future. This was done in 70AD. Linus claimed to be head of the church in 64AD. Jesus did not and does not acknowledge Linus as the head of His Church.
Jesus never visited Linus ever. Nor anyone that followed Linus. Nor any pope ever.
When Judas died they called another to replace him. This is God’s pattern and command. Apostle’s lead His Church. If the church doesn’t have Apostles, then that is a sign to you that it is a false church.
Amos 3:
7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
In 325AD, when they officially organized their new church, where was the prophet? Where were their Apostles? There were none. So why on earth would you try to claim that this new church is God’s true Church??
There are two distinct warnings from Jesus recorded in the New Testament. There’s no telling how many times He actually warned the people, but it was recorded twice.
Even though they believed on Him, He still cast them out at the judgement.
Jesus says that you will be perplexed by this. You’ll say that you walked and ate with Him. Some will say they did great miracles in His name. But He’s going to say, I never knew you, begone.
Paul tells you why this is going to happen to you. It’s because you followed false churches. These false churches teach the doctrines of devils. But you refuse to accept it and keep following that path until it’s too late.
And Jesus promises that He is going to cast you out, no matter how hard, loud, or dedicated you think you are to Him. He doesn’t know you, because you weren’t actually following Him.
Paul gave some signs for everyone to look for... Paul didn’t go into great detail, but there’s enough there. Some abstain from meats, others refuse marriage.
There’s only one church that claims to believe in Christ that abstains from meat(Seventh Day Adventist) and only one that has a policy against marriage(Catholic).
And none of them have prophets or Apostles.
In Jesus’ warning He gave a clue to watch for, it’s the rejection of the prophets. When He cast out these believers it’s the realization of who were the true prophets that causes these people to weep and wail.
Matt 13:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
There it is in black and white.
Stay away from any church that doesn’t have Apostles.
To quote a favorite Papal term
BULL!
Well, thanks for the information, but it still does not explain how the Catholic Church is the only way to Salvation.
“Well, thanks for the information, but it still does not explain how the Catholic Church is the only way to Salvation.”
Christ and His Body are one.
Even if I accept that premise (which depends on how you define "His Body") it still does not lead me to see how the Catholic Church is required for Salvation.
“Even if I accept that premise (which depends on how you define “His Body”) it still does not lead me to see how the Catholic Church is required for Salvation.”
Then the problem is clearly yours and no amount of explanation on my part can fix that.
Interesting. It is my fault you cannot provide an understanding as to how the Catholic Church is required for salvation.
Is too complicated to explain?
Or am I just too simple to understand salvation and need to accept the Catholic Church's teaching on this matter on faith?
How do you reconcile that?
“Interesting. It is my fault you cannot provide an understanding as to how the Catholic Church is required for salvation.”
And there we go with more misrepresentations on your part. Where did I EVER say I “you cannot provide an understanding as to how the Catholic Church is required for salvation”? I never said any such thing.
“Is too complicated to explain?”
Where did I say it was too complicated?
“Or am I just too simple to understand salvation and need to accept the Catholic Church’s teaching on this matter on faith?”
Again, where did I say you were too simple to understand?
You’re merely confirming my previous conclusion: “the problem is clearly yours and no amount of explanation on my part can fix that.”
If you’re going to make up things I never said - as you do above - then the problem is entirely yours.
And if you think things are confusing about getting Salvation apart from the Catholic Church, the Church has developed its very own muslim exception to the rule.
Here's their muslim exception (from the Catechism)...
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
“So the Catholic Church teaches that Protestants don’t get Salvation, but muslims do?”
No. And please don’t misinterpret CCC 841 as some many anti-Catholics are wont to do. And if you want to know about Protestants and the Church, read CCC 838.
“How do you reconcile that?”
No reconciliation on my part is necessary since any misinterpretation is yours and not mine. Maybe you should simply get your facts right first?
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