Posted on 02/24/2015 2:52:23 PM PST by RnMomof7
Covenant=Testament.
That’s how I understood her comments.
Old Testament= Old Covenant. That has been the teaching of every Christian group I have ever talked to.
Yes. And when exactly did Christ institute the New Covenant?
Understand this is a point of view not a doctrine or dogma. This is typically used to provide additional consideration of the Old Testament as many Protestants tend to view the OT as a bunch of stories and songs but with very little relevance to the NT.
A short summary of this view point is that during the time of the OT, God’s presence via the Holy Spirit resided in the Temple. When Jesus was baptized, the Holy Spirit in it’s full power was withdrawn from the Temple and descended upon Jesus. Then Jesus conducted his ministry and was crucified. At that time, the Holy Spirit was released and descended during Pentecost.
To that end, the OT law was in effect until Jesus’s death. The law of sin and death was not superseded by the law of grace and mercy until the Holy of Holy curtain was torn, symbolically removing the separation between man and God, because God has left the temple and now resides in our hearts. As such, the Gospels are the history of Jesus ministry and if one take the view (thus my use of the term view point) that the OT law burden ended with Jesus death, they would then from a time line view, fall into the OT.
This view then used to educate others about Jesus being the head priest and why the numbers, stories, feasts in the OT were a foretelling of the coming of Jesus and how he fulfilled the sacrificial requirements and how that tied into Jewish tradition.
I should point out that at no time does this view change doctrine or dogma. It is just another way to drive a point home.
Sorry about the choice of words. I was trying to contrast Jewish traditions from Christian traditions.
Circumstantial evidence that there's a correlation between low IQ and short-term memory loss.
Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross and subsequent rise from the grave occurred during the gospels. “Gospel” means good news and designates Jesus’s time on earth which is not the same distinction as the one you are trying to draw. The Bible is a living book, and is to be treated respectfully. It isn’t a chapter book written for your amusement. It’s not a play, but even so the curtain was rent.
Is that so hard to understand?? They are written HISTORICALLY about a time before the NEW COVENANT ...now as a good catholic you should know when Christ said there was now NEW COVENANT right?
The life of Christ..as recorded in the scriptures ... is His life under the OLD TESTAMENT
Jesus needed to keep the whole OLD COVENANT law perfectly ...He was the only one who could...
The Gospels were a 'look back" at Christ and His teaching.. they were not contemporary .. the majority of what was written was before the New Testament (Covenant) was instituted..at the Last.......yea you know
I am not saying that they should be 'replaced" in the OT... I am simply saying they record the life of Christ BEFORE THE NEW COVENANT and therefore reflect OT laws..
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow, it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
No it is "foolishness" to the perishing
Ever break a commandment???
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I am going to make a guess that you are never going to make it...Your righteousness will never exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and scribes...You may as well give up...
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
More of the same...
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
What kinds of gifts do you Catholics bring to the altar??? What altar???
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
And what prison would that be??? Is your phoney purgatory a prison??? Can people be sent to hell and then pay their way out??? How much money or farthings does it take to get out of this prison???
You see any Gentiles in the bunch??? You ever notice there's not even a church within miles (or years) from there??? Do you realize these people are under the law and there's no grace involved anywhere there???
And it's obvious you don't have any idea what the Kingdom of Heaven is...
What happened after that is Jesus died, on the Cross...He became our sacrifice so people wouldn't have to go to prison for their sin...After these here Jews rejected Jesus, he went to the Gentiles (who these Jews were forbidden to even talk to) and offered them a free ride to heaven...Without the law...By Jesus' grace it was a free gift...One only had to believe in and trust Jesus...
Christians are covered by grace...We don't need any farthings...Jesus paid it all...
All you need is a bible and a Protestant to help you learn what God says to you...
Thank you... it seems beyond their understanding ..they still live under the law so they can not understand this concept
Whoops, sorry Rn Mom, meant to address that as a follow-up to verge.
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: (Romans 16:26)
I hope you are wrong that few protestants understand the prophetic relevance of the OT and the new
That's quite the guarantee right there - 'who will sustain us till the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ'...
Yep
Catholics seem to totally miss that don't they. And Christ didn't institute the new covenant at the last supper either. He said His broken body and shed blood was the start of the new covenant and that didn't happen until the next day.
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