Posted on 02/28/2015 12:17:20 PM PST by RnMomof7
And the children of Israel are once again being gathered back to the land God gave them to be their inheritance for all time.
The words of the priest are the direct efficient cause of the change of the substance of the bread and wine into the substance of the body and blood of Christ. His human soul and divinity become present by “concomitance,” not as a direct effect of the words of consecration.
According to Thomas Aquinas, the Eucharist at the Last Supper was the same body and blood of Jesus that the apostles saw at table with them. If one of the apostles had celebrated the Eucharist while Jesus was in the tomb, the Eucharistic species would have contained his dead body, and his dead blood. It would have contained his divinity as well, because his divinity is the “act of existence” of his body and blood. I.e, even in death, the body and blood were hypostatically united with his divinity Person. His human soul would not have been present, because he was dead. After the Resurrection, the Eucharist contains the body and blood, and the human soul, and the divine Person of the Risen Christ.
AFAIK, the Magisterium has not dealt with the hypothetical portion of Thomas Aquinas’s teaching (i.e., the part about the celebration of the Eucharist while Jesus was dead), but I am quite sure that it is not correct to say that the Real Presence in the Eucharist did not occur at the Last Supper, and could not occur until after Pentecost.
So you don't know if Jesus and the apostles were eating the real flesh and blood of Jesus at the last supper? Is that what you are saying?
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.
And the LORD said unto me, Son of man, mark well, and behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears all that I say unto thee concerning all the ordinances of the house of the LORD, and all the laws thereof; and mark well the entering in of the house, with every going forth of the sanctuary. And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations, In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations. And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves. Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually. And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me. Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
So the flesh and blood that the Catholic church claims people are eating and drinking is from the RISEN Christ.
Except that flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
And there's no record of Christ's risen body having any blood since it was all poured out.
Not to mention that the CCC states that the eucharist is a participation in the BLOODLESS sacrifice of Christ, which accomplishes nothing because without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.
Unbloody sacrifice
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P41.HTM
1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner."188
So if the Catholic church is claiming they are offering an unbloody sacrifice, it is NOT the same one as Christ made.
That covenant was with Israel. You and I are not Israel nor has the so called “church” superseded Israel.
Except that flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
"Flesh" (and "blood") sometimes refer to sinful human nature, deprived of grace. In that sense, "flesh and blood" will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Nevertheless, the term "flesh" retains its primary meaning of, simply, flesh--i.e., the body.
The very beginning of Saint John's Gospel tells us that "the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us." Saint John was NOT telling us that Word became "sinful human nature"! He was telling us that the Word became united with a HUMAN NATURE. I.e., the Word became a man.
Since the FLESH or BODY of Jesus that is present in the Eucharist is the same flesh or body or human nature that St. John is referring to when he says "the Word became flesh," obviously the body and blood in the Eucharist are NOT "sinful human nature," but are the sinless human nature of Jesus Christ.
And your point is?
And where is any mention of the blood in that comment?
The blood is what redeems us.
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Posting that has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation. Paul indeed was a Jew. The New Testament ekklesia is NOT.
You may only testify for yourself.
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