Posted on 02/28/2015 12:17:20 PM PST by RnMomof7
Not a compelling witness at all...Don't you guys pay attention to the words that are presented to you???
and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined.
Washed with the washing??? Regeneration is the washing...Didn't Justin read the bible???
but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God
Jesus Christ IS the Word of God...Jesus was God manifest in the flesh...
had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished
Again, there's the 14th Century word used in the 2nd Century...
We Christians are not looking for nourishment of our flesh and blood...I get that from a slice of meatloaf and an apple...
have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Since most Catholic don't read scripture, they wouldn't know that Justin seriously misquoted scripture here...Why would Justin do that???
Jesus did not pray and say, 'do this in remembrance of me'...Jesus said EAT, and do this in remembrance of me...Little odd, wouldn't you say???
Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.
Uh, the Roman Mithras sun god worship goes back to at least 1 BC...So who copied from who???
I don't think I'd put much stock at all in what Justin Martyr ever said...
**5) did the Church that met on the first Pentecost know that Jesus was indeed going to return to earth to sit on the throne of His father David? That this means the royal lineage of David must continue to the day He returns? (Luke 1:32, Acts 2:29-30!, Acts 15:16, Amos 9:11)**
From the birth of Christ, until he returns from heaven, there is no continued royal lineage following Him, seeing he ever liveth. All that preceded him died, and stayed dead.
Even that would not have changed anything for Jesus and the apostles prior to Christ’s death and resurrection. Jesus and the apostles were all Jews and bound under the Old Testament laws. The included God’s command NOT to eat blood even of the sacrifice.
Acts 2:11”....we do hear them speak in our tongues THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD”.
“And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking of bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, PRAISING GOD,....”. Acts 2:46,47
Is praise of God not worship, in your mindset?
I suppose you would never consider the FACT that the God who commanded “drink my blood” is the same God who gave those dietary laws to Israel?
That He was doing a new thing?
Estin- is 3rd person singular active indicative in Greek
Mat 3:17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Mat 3:17 kai idou fwnh ek twn ouranwn legousa outov estin o uiov mou o agaphtov en w eudokhsa
So, is Jesus the Son of God, or does he represent the son of God? Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mat 17:5 eti autou lalountov idou nefelh fwteinh epeskiasen autouv kai idou fwnh ek thv nefelhv legousa outov estin o uiov mou o agaphtov en w eudokhsa tsbautou akouete aautou
Again, is Jesus the Son of God, or does he represent the son of God?
Mat 26:26 And while they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
Mat 26:26 esqiontwn de autwn labwn o ihsouv ton arton kai euxaristhsav euloghsav eklasen kai douv edidou toiv maqhtaiv tsbkai eipen labete fagete touto estin to swma mou
This is the same estin. By what logic do you change the estin here to mean ‘represents’? There is no logic to support your tradition.
Mat 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
Mat 26:28 touto gar estin to aima mou to thv kainhv diaqhkhv to peri pollwn ekxunnomenon ekxunomenon eiv afesin amartiwn
This is the same estin. By what logic do you change the estin here to mean ‘represents’? There is no logic to support your tradition.
Mar 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them: and there came a voice out of the cloud, This is my beloved Son: hear ye him.
Mar 9:7 καὶ ἐγένετο νεφέλη ἐπισκιάζουσα αὐτοῖς, καὶ ἦλθε φωνή ἐκ τῆς νεφέλης λέγουσα· οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ Υἱός μου ὁ ἀγαπητός· αὐτοῦ ἀκούετε.
This is the same estin, did Jesus represent God’s son, was He a metaphor for God’s son? Mar 14:22 And while they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it; and gave it to them, and said, "Take; this is My body."
Mar 14:22 kai esqiontwn autwn labwn o ihsouv arton euloghsav eklasen kai edwken autoiv kai eipen labete fagete touto estin to swma mou
This is the same estin. By what logic do you change the estin here to mean ‘represents’? There is no logic to support your tradition.
Mar 14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
Mar 14:24 kai eipen autoiv touto estin to aima mou to thv kainhv diaqhkhv to ekxunnomenon uper peri pollwn ekxunomenon
This is the same estin. By what logic do you change the estin here to mean ‘represents’? There is no logic to support your tradition.
Luk_9:35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my Son, my chosen: hear ye him.
Luk 9:35 καὶ φωνὴ ἐγένετο ἐκ τῆς νεφέλης λέγουσα· οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ υἱός μου ὁ ἀγαπητός· αὐτοῦ ἀκούετε.
This is the same estin. By what logic do you change the estin here to mean ‘represents’? There is no logic to support your tradition.
Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you.
Joh 15:12 αὕτη ἐστὶν ἡ ἐντολὴ ἡ ἐμή, ἵνα ἀγαπᾶτε ἀλλήλους καθὼς ἡγάπησα ὑμᾶς.
Same estin was this the commandment of Jesus or did t represent or was a metaphor for His commandment?
Is = Is. In English and Greek. Your man made tradition says Is = represents.
Now I know that one of the prots will toss out "I am the Door" or "I am the vine" and then make the statement "Was He a literal door or vine"
They might not realize that in every language there is a big difference between "is" and "am".
For instance: This is my car is a literal expression, while I am a car is purely figurative.
Subtlety is lost on prots.
Jesus couldn't change any law until it had been fulfilled.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
To fulfil the law of the sacrifice the blood had to be sprinkled on the altar and the rest spilled on the ground and not eaten.
Even garments that had been splattered with blood were to be washed before they left the sanctuary.
Leviticus 6:27 ...and if any of the blood is spattered on a garment, you must wash it in the sanctuary area.
No blood was EVER to be eaten.
Why keep dancing around the truth that Jesus and the apostles would have been sinning by eating blood?
The money quote; it seems to me you are still searching for an authentic Christianity.
Don-O answered your baseless charge post 105.
Isn’t ironic that some people will say the dumbest things and STILL think they are smart?
No, he didn't. Jesus couldn't change anything until the old had been fulfilled.
What a goofy question...
Lev 17:10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Lev 17:12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
The shed blood is for an atonement, not to drink...
Jesus threw a horsehoe into the your wringer when he switched around here...
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Just as Jesus tells us that the blood is really the fruit of the vine, Mat_26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom., Jesus tells us that it is the CUP, not its contents that are significant...
When in fact it really is fruit of the grape, it could well be anything...It could be tomato juice or hot chocolate...Just as the bread could be Japanese rye bread or a Brazilian bagel...
What's important is that we break bread and eat it and take a cup of some liquid and contemplate the death of Jesus while doing so...
And it's possibly somewhat magical in a sense since every time we eat some bread or a sandwich and drink some liquid, we have the opportunity to be reminded of Jesus on the Cross...
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
It is by the shedding of his blood, not drinking it that we have been redeemed...
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, (not drinking blood) for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Your religion offers this so-called sacrifice to God numerous times every day (which is odd since the apostles did not offer Jesus as a sacrifice)...All sin was put away from that one time sacrifice...
Your religion would fold like a cheap deck of cards if it accepted and taught that truth of the scriptures...
Zec 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
So you figure when Jesus went down to Abraham's Bosom and set the captives free he was carrying a bottle of Mogan David and a loaf of French bread in his spiritual pockets??? Or was the shed blood on the Cross enough to set these prisoners free???
We eat his flesh and drink his blood, spiritually as it is intended...
Does the blood participate with you??? I wasn't aware that blood was that active...
Now if you were to say you (spiritually) participated in the death of Jesus which resulted in the shed blood, that would make sense...But participate in the blood??? Not so much...
It is disputed, or outright rejected in the apostolic memoirs that Justin claims to have read...
eat it up
κατεσθίω
katesthiō
kat-es-thee'-o
From G2596 and G2068 (including its alternate); to eat down, that is, devour (literally or figuratively): - devour.
Your point is???
OH YAH...BIG DIFFERENCE...
is - used for singular pronouns EXCEPT I.
example: He is brushing his teeth.
am - used for the pronoun I.
example: I am four_eyed_ninja.
It would destroy their unbiblical religion...
I don't know why you would say that...The authentic Christianity is found in the scriptures, alone...I have found it...
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