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Why These 66 Books?
The Cripplegate ^ | June 20,2013 | Nathan Busenitz

Posted on 02/28/2015 5:16:22 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: DeprogramLiberalism

Not much of an explanation


Do you have a better explanation? Why did Jesus give Peter the keys to the kingdom, and give him the authority to bind and to loose?


101 posted on 03/01/2015 4:58:55 PM PST by rwa265
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To: DeprogramLiberalism; CynicalBear
WRT the Peter vs. Rock argument, where Catholicism erred - nearly from the start of the bishop of Rome's dominance - was in concluding that Jesus' statement of building His church upon Peter and not Peter's statement of faith meant that whoever the bishop of Rome was from that time onward was automatically conferred the same authority as Peter. They actually HAVE to read it that way since Peter died not that much longer after Jesus ascended and they must prove "apostolic succession" even though they have very spotty records of who was or was not occupying that seat over the centuries.

Catholics have to retrofit the supremacy of the Popes of Rome back to Peter in order to assert their authority. But what we do know about apostolic succession is that it was NOT a handing down of a position of Apostle - automatically conferring all the power and authority of the Apostle Peter to whomever got elected - but a handing down of the message of the Gospel.

102 posted on 03/01/2015 5:02:16 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Catholics have to retrofit the supremacy of the Popes of Rome back to Peter in order to assert their authority. But what we do know about apostolic succession is that it was NOT a handing down of a position of Apostle - automatically conferring all the power and authority of the Apostle Peter to whomever got elected - but a handing down of the message of the Gospel.

Merely an expression of opinion with no basis in either fact or reality.

103 posted on 03/01/2015 5:04:25 PM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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To: yarddog

Why do you think Job doesn’t belong? It has some of the greatest lessons in it about the proper perspective we should have on God in the whole Bible. Job learned to justify God, that God is perfectly righteous and the fault belonged to him because he concentrated on justifying himself rather than God. When things go wrong we can tend to become angry at God which is completely wrong. God is always right and all people deserve, apart from His grace, to go to hell.


104 posted on 03/01/2015 5:06:18 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Song of Solomon seems dead to you? I will pray for you that the next time you read it God will begin to open it up to you.


105 posted on 03/01/2015 5:15:00 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Rashputin

Obviously you haven’t read what Luther himself wrote as opposed to what his fan club has made easily available and altered to suit their agenda.


You are correct. I could not find anything online showing what Luther said about the Deuterocanonical books. I know he had some things to say about James.


106 posted on 03/01/2015 5:42:19 PM PST by rwa265
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To: thesligoduffyflynns
Good for you that you accept whatever the Catholic Church has to dole out to convince people of the worthiness. If whatever you believe provides you comfort more power to you

They are 2,000 years old...who else's word should I take...if someone can prove that what they teach is in error...I will listen.....I have heard MANY try...none have succeded

107 posted on 03/01/2015 5:45:54 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall!)
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To: boatbums
Catholics have to retrofit the supremacy of the Popes of Rome back to Peter . . .

ROTFLOL.

Jesus Christ Himself gives Peter a new name and hands him the keys exactly like other kings of Israel handed the keys to the person they wanted to handle things for them and the blabby anti-Catholic crowd responds with, "That's what Jesus Christ said but He didn't really mean it and He only accidentally gave Peter a new name and the keys"

That's huge double dose of Superslick Christian Liberty Grease with a giant self-delusion cherry on top.

108 posted on 03/01/2015 5:53:43 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Wiz-Nerd
Where/when did God give this authority to the Catholic Church? Is the Magesterium of the church made up of individuals or one individual? If so, then how can they interpret the Bible, but other individuals cannot? Are they infallible?

He gave them the authority when He gave them the power to bind and loose....the magesterium is made up of individuals under the guidance of one individual. In certain matters they are infallible and no other individuals in history have ever been granted that authority...they can interpret the bible because the Holy Spirit inspires their decisions.

109 posted on 03/01/2015 5:54:12 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall!)
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To: verga
Psalm 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.

Psalm 62:6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defense; I shall not be moved.

God alone is our rock and our salvation. Not Peter nor anyone else. There is one rock and that is Christ.

110 posted on 03/01/2015 5:58:27 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: terycarl

snicker


111 posted on 03/01/2015 6:02:06 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: DeprogramLiberalism
Nowhere is Christ referred to as petros. And nowhere is Peter referred to as petra. Sorry, your whole Church is based on a misinterpretation of Scripture.

Darn.....2,000 years of not knowing a big rock from a little one....good thing they weren't engineers, can you imagine a railroad bridge built out of pebbles.....disaster!!!

112 posted on 03/01/2015 6:02:33 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall!)
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To: rwa265
If you dig, it surely is available on-line it's just not going to be on the first half-dozen or even dozen screens that come up in search engines since frequency of access determines what comes up first.

Anyone really interested can find these things on-line although I got hold of them through inter-library loan several years ago. Some of them were only translated into English in the sixties and seventies which is in and of itself pretty interesting. At the time I was still Lutheran and absolutely stunned by a lot of what he had to say and how much the popular myths about him differ from what he was really like.

113 posted on 03/01/2015 6:09:04 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: CynicalBear
The Holy Spirit had it written in Koine Greek to make a distinction.

there sat the evangalist...just ready to write the words in the Bible and the Holy Spirit pipes up and says...hey, hold it there....never mind that Christ spoke Amamaic when He said Rock....let's put that down in Koine-Greek....that'll give the protestants something to argue about....the size of the rock.....after all, they have to have something to stand on....let's give them a pebble!!

114 posted on 03/01/2015 6:11:11 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall!)
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To: terycarl

Oh you even know what the Holy Spirit told them that wasn’t written down ey? Amazing!!


115 posted on 03/01/2015 6:16:54 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
snicker

refute the statement...

116 posted on 03/01/2015 6:24:02 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall!)
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To: terycarl
>>In certain matters they are infallible and no other individuals in history have ever been granted that authority.<<

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

The Catholic Church Nickolatains usurpation is counter to scripture.

117 posted on 03/01/2015 6:31:04 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga

You’re wrong. Plenty of facts AND reality to prove it.


118 posted on 03/01/2015 6:43:29 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: rwa265

>Do you have a better explanation? Why did Jesus give Peter the keys to the kingdom, and give him the authority to bind and to loose?<

I was being generous when I said “Not much of an explanation.” Actually, you dodged my questions completely.


119 posted on 03/01/2015 8:26:28 PM PST by DeprogramLiberalism (<- a profile worth reading)
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To: Bellflower
God alone is our rock and our salvation. Not Peter nor anyone else. There is one rock and that is Christ.

Except when He called Abraham as the Rock.

Isaiah 51:1-2 "Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness and who seek the LORD: Look to the rock from which you were cut and to the quarry from which you were hewn; look to Abraham, your father, and to Sarah, who gave you birth. When I called him he was only one man, and I blessed him and made him many.

120 posted on 03/02/2015 2:39:39 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing Chess with a pigeon.)
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