Conversion from Roman Catholicism to Biblical Christianity

Gorden & Jacki's Place ^ | March 2<2015 | Jackie

[Mark17]

I swam the Tiber in reverse. I am completely comfortable with my choice.

[Tao Yin]

For God so loved the world he sent a book.

For God so loved the world he sent Mary and Peter.

[Tao Yin]

For God so loved the world he sent a book.

For God so loved the world, he sent his only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

These things are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.

[Gamecock]

For God so loved the world he sent Popes.

[Iscool]

For every conversion you find FROM Catholicism, there’s one about a conversion TO Catholicism. For example, Scott Hahn, who was a Protestant minister. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Now, instead of trying to divide us Christians, maybe we should be strengthening our bond so we can fight the REAL enemy — violent extremist Muslims.

That's not the way I see it...Muzlims can only kill our bodies...False doctrines and gospels can destroy our souls...

[Iscool]

For God so loved the world he sent a book.

Yes he did...A book that is filled with the words of his only begotten Son...And he's preserved it for 2000 years and will continue to preserve it til it's no longer needed to that the world has access to the truth...

[RnMomof7]

For God so loved the world he sent a book.

And that "book" is all about HIM from beginning to end ..

Like 24: 25And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26"Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.…

[Iscool]

Most of Catholicism is biblical, and some of Protestantism isn’t. “Sola scripture” is not biblical, nor is salvation by faith alone.

You are afflicted with the same malady as the author of this piece...

He believed what his Catholic Church told him was the truth as well as you do, until he started searching the scriptures to find the real truth...

[Iscool]

And what prompted the change? By the way, I think it is offensive to put things the way you did. Catholics ARE Christians, even if they hold some interpretations of scripture that you reject.

That's another fable your religion has told you, for you to believe...The bible says differently...

[RnMomof7]

So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar? His original account and the secondary account seem to mesh together, do they not? (Beyond that: given the splintering of the Presbyterians, is it really surprising that they've spawned numerous private places of worship which still consider themselves Presbyterian? Unless you're willing to consider every last Presbyterian "fragment" to be illegitimate, I'm not sure how this furthers your case.)

YES I AM.. if a church opened that called itself Roman catholic .. would it be Roman Catholic? Would their priests be in the "apostolic" line? LOL

He told a bald face lie..HE WAS NEVER ORDAINED BY THE PCA ..THAT, like Rome, has standards and keeps records of those that can call themselves PCA..that is true of all branches of Presbyterians..

He lied to make himself more valuable to Rome..and it has paid off nicely

[RnMomof7]

Yep

[MDLION]

“not been properly grounded in Catholic theology”.

Nor discernment. God can console but the evil spirits can give a false consolation. The world around us and our own flesh (desires, ideas) can deceive us and make us think they’re the voice of God.

I once saw a couple on TV with crosses around their necks talking about how God “led” them through the in-vitro fertilization process. He didn’t lead them through a process involving masturbation and dead human embryos. They did their own will and projected in onto God. Sorry for their cross of infertility (not unconnected sometimes to years of contraceptive use; another grave evil so many of Christ’s followers erroneously think he’s okay with because they’re deceived by the devil and dominated by the world), but not every idea that pops into our head nor every good feeling is the voice of God.

[paladinan]

[paladinan]
So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar?

[RnMomof7]
YES I AM.

Well, thanks for at least not being mealy-mouthed about it! (I still disagree, but it's pretty refreshing to have clarity like that!)

if a church opened that called itself Roman catholic .. would it be Roman Catholic? Would their priests be in the "apostolic" line?

No, and no... but most mainline Presbyterian groups they're all over the map... as could be expected.

As such, I'm not sure how this furthers your point. Can you prove, beyond all doubt, that Scott Hahn's ordination was "invalid" in the eyes of all Presbyterian groups? If there were some "final court of appeals" which all Presbyterians honored for such judgments, and if THEY pronounced Scott Hahn's ordination invalid, then you'd have cause to call Dr. Hahn's account false, if he said otherwise (though you'd have to prove that he KNEW his "local ordination" was invalid, in order to call him a "liar" and have any credibility in making that accusation). I don't see that, here.

...and as for finding a "universal authority to recognize Presbyterian ordinations, even among themselves... well... good luck with that!

He told a bald face lie..HE WAS NEVER ORDAINED BY THE PCA.

Where does Dr. Hahn ever claim that he was ordained "by the PCA"? Not even Presbyterians require that; were you aware of that fact? Even according to the blog of "Becky" (whom you quote), Dr. Hahn said that he was ordained privately by elders of the local Presbyterian group. And you're calling this a lie... WHY, again?

.THAT, like Rome, has standards and keeps records of those that can call themselves PCA.

Your claim is based on the idea that the PCA speaks for all Presbyterian groups, even in the USA... and that is not true.

.that is true of all branches of Presbyterians..

Not so. See above.

He lied to make himself more valuable to Rome..and it has paid off nicely

All right: you've just stated your personal opinion. Now, you need to prove it, in order to have any credibility at all. Otherwise, you've just libelled Dr. Hahn... and the Bible takes a dim view of that, IIRC.

[paladinan]

That's another fable your religion has told you, for you to believe...The bible says differently...

Really? Chapter and verse, please? Where does it say that "Catholics are not Christians"? And which version of the Bible are you using?

An adage about stones and glass houses comes to mind, for some reason...

[paladinan]

[Steve_Seattle]
Most of Catholicism is biblical, and some of Protestantism isn’t. “Sola scripture” is not biblical, nor is salvation by faith alone.

[Iscool]
You are afflicted with the same malady as the author of this piece...

Very easily said, FRiend. Not so easily proven. I've yet to see you prove your case.

He believed what his Catholic Church told him was the truth as well as you do, until he started searching the scriptures to find the real truth...

False generalization. If "searching the Scriptures and became non-Catholic" (e.g. the author of this article) is a true general principle, and if "searching the Scriptures and became Catholic" is also a true principle (e.g. John Henry Newman, Dr. Scott Hahn, Steven Ray, and innumerable others), then we have a logical problem, yes? I'd gently suggest that it's possible to "search the Scriptures" and be led astray (cf. 2 Peter 3:16-17)... and I assert that the author of the article did precisely that.

[paladinan]

Whoops... my mistake: “Becky” was quoting someone else (”Proclaim the Gospel”, “Michael P. Gendron”, etc.), and you may’ve been quoting those other sources.

Anyway... back to the main topic.

[Gamecock]

***Trinity Presbyterian was an independent church with an average attendance of 30 when two of its elders laid hands on him in a private ceremony in 1982. He served as their Associate Pastor for about two years.***

THAT'S IT? That's Hahn's claim to being ordained in a Presbyterian Church? What is essentially a independent Bible Church with the name Presbyterian on the sign out front?

That is laughable!

That "ordination" would not transfer to any denomination in the Presbyterian family.

He was as much Presbyterian as Pope Michael is Roman Catholic!

[CynicalBear]

He was essentially a dishonest fraud getting around IRS taxes.

[Gamecock]

Note the part about being secretly ordained.

That is NOT the way it happens in a real Presbyterian church.

A teaching elder is called by the congregation and ordained publicly.

Rome got what it deserved when they brought Hahn on board. A fraud from a sham of a church.

[CynicalBear]

>>Rome got what it deserved when they brought Hahn on board. A fraud from a sham of a church.<<

It's follow the money. He's now raking it in.