Posted on 03/02/2015 5:00:25 PM PST by RnMomof7
This riposte of yours demonstrate the utter ignorance of Bible-Christians of whom it has been often said that they wallow in the shallow end of the theological pool that any attempt to engage them them in the deep end is futile. They simply drown. Catholics all over the word believe in a single Credo. No need to throw off snippets of scripture like the “fortune-cookie” interpretations Joel Osteen makes of scripture or the sheer vapid nonsense of Billy Grahams or Jeremiah Wright.
Not a single rebuttal to the fact that anyone with a cursory knowledge of theological history will tell that it is the infallible Petrine authority that authenticated the books in the Bible and this is why pre-eminent Lutheran theologians (like Rev. Richard Neuhaus) have decamped from Protestant nonsense and converted to Catholicism. That Petrine authority that gave us the books in the Bible- (Synod of Rome AD 382) did not evaporate ELEVEN centuries later. No rebuttal to any of this. There cannot be.
No rebuttal either to the fact that unlike the thousands of different sects of Protestantism, some of it literally and figurativly lethal (check Jim Jones/David Koresh) that all purport to crack open the pages of the Bible and discern the “Word of God” for themselves. Precisely, to prevent such an evil, that Christ established ONE Church: True, Holy Catholic, and Apostolic.
The acts and words of Christ that were not written did not disappear into vapor.
John 21: 25
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which if they were written one by one, I suppose that not even the world itself would contain the books written.”
This is the sacred tradition and ritual of the Church. You can mock all you want Catholic liturgical practices of veneration of Mary and saints, but this mocks John 21: 25. This is the faith of our Church Fathers many of whom were friends of the Apostles like St. Ignatius of Antioch or St. Clement.
(Oh, I forgot historical scholarship is not something for Bible-Christians)
It is one thing when theologians convert and of course it is not the same as some Jack or Jill who leaves one faith for another, then is lost and often comes back to the true Catholic faith. We are speaking here of people who have studied theology all their lives, written books, taught theology and whose works have been often quoted by ecclesiastic scholars.
Bottom line you cannot have Moonies, Billy Graham, Benny Hinn, Al Sharpton, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and every self-appointed “internet” theologians tell us what he/she/they think is the “Word of God” written AND unwritten. They have neither the infallible authority endowed to ONE Church, and worse none of them are theologically literate.
This binding interpretation falls to ONE Catholic Church. The rest of Christian beliefs are like wild mushrooms grown on fallow or shallow soil that with time wither and die away.
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>> “This riposte of yours demonstrate the utter ignorance of Bible-Christians of whom it has been often said that they wallow in the shallow end of the theological pool that any attempt to engage them them in the deep end is futile. They simply drown.” <<
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Any believer thrown in that cesspool would be in danger of drowning!
Theology is strictly for unbelievers, to create ‘Religion’ to replace the Gospel of the Kingdom that they reject.
The Gospel is not ‘religion,’ and it is not described nor understood by men’s theology.
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Now, isn’t THAT curious?!
AMEN!
When I was sixteen, I was in an SBC Sunday school and the teacher handed me a Bible and I read John 10:27-30 for the first time - about Jesus giving eternal life to His sheep and that they would never perish - my eyes were opened to the true Gospel. I left the Roman Catholic church that I had been raised in because I knew it wasn’t teaching that. Nobody had to tell me to or ask me to, I just KNEW that I was in the wrong church.
Your knowledge of history is lacking. Henry VIII didn't start "Protestantism", he didn't like Luther or any of the Reformers. He even put some Reformers to death such as William Tyndale but also executed a few Catholics when he decided to break from the Pope of Rome and make himself the head of the church in England. The Church of England (Anglican Church) remained quite similar to Roman Catholicism in many ways.
I’ll second your Amen!
HA HA HA HA.
Unfortunately for you, that is called anecdotal evidence and it’s absolutely meaningless in an argument. I’ll give you a C minus for effort though.
Catholics in CNY ARE different than the WNY variety I grew up with, but there are still plenty of churches here which are very heavily former Catholic.
Not all Catholics are Christians. One is not a follower of Christ by default because they belong to a certain denomination. Church membership is NOT the way someone becomes a Christian. It’s a heart thing, not joining an organization thing.
There are Christians in all churches and there are non-Christians in all churches. The only thing that changes is the ratio.
So the guy is basically a fraud! Some private group "laid hands on him" so he could get by the IRS! And then trotted out as some kind of hero.
After all the evidence to the contrary already posted on these forums I can't even imagine someone making that comment and expecting to be taken seriously.
whoops!
What's so funny...You wouldn't know to speak in tongues if it was not for the 'book'...
Been there also. Thanks for your testimony. My sister almost went nuts when she heard of my conversion. Later, she also became a true Christian, and a very Godly woman.
What a wonderful story!
I always feel sorry for Catholics who give up their personal relationship with Jesus in order to follow some Bible toting “Christian” who bad-mouthes their religion. Because these poor Catholics have no clue, they leave the real Jesus in the Eucharist for What? . . . A poor imitation at best.
They left Gold for Brass, real food for bread and water.
"Mr. Hahn acknowledged these facts but offered an explanation. Trinity Presbyterian was an independent church with an average attendance of 30 when two of its elders laid hands on him in a private ceremony in 1982. He served as their Associate Pastor for about two years. The church remained independent until its closing in 1986. Mr. Hahn told me the reason for his private ceremony was because he did not feel he was very qualified to serve as an elder at age 26, but needed the ordination to take the pastor's exemption from Social Security."So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar? His original account and the secondary account seem to mesh together, do they not? (Beyond that: given the splintering of the Presbyterians, is it really surprising that they've spawned numerous private places of worship which still consider themselves Presbyterian? Unless you're willing to consider every last Presbyterian "fragment" to be illegitimate, I'm not sure how this furthers your case.)
So there is a zero sum game?
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I am both a Bible Christian and a Catholic.
The two do not have to be mutually exclusive.
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