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What I Wish I’d Known About Catholics (And Why I’m Becoming One Now That I Do)
The Cordial Catholic ^ | March 19, 2015 | Albert Little

Posted on 03/20/2015 9:46:29 AM PDT by NYer

Photo Credit: Michael Caven.

Photo Credit: Michael Caven.

This Easter I become a Catholic.

It’s been a strange, unexpected journey. Something I often think about, and reflect on, is what I would’ve thought of myself, today, if I’d met me ten years ago. What if, by some miracle of space and time, the twenty year old me was able to visit the thirty year old me, today. What would the younger me think?

Becoming a Catholic is something I never could’ve imagined or envisioned.

I became a Christian at the age of about fifteen. I found an incredible local Pentecostal church, and incredible youth group, and was welcomed into a group of fantastic, devout young Christians. It’s hard to imagine all the grace I received through the friends I found and the experiences I had.

Then, at a time when so many Christians lose their faith and their identity, by the grace of God I was plugged into an incredible campus ministry in my university years. There I met lifelong friends, and my beautiful wife.

I fellowshipped, alongside my wife and our best friends, at a non-denominational church for many years. We still attend. It’s been an incredible place of grow, grace, and meeting God.

But the trajectory of my faith life—which impacts, of course, the whole of my life—changed one day when a Protestant pastor asked me what’s more important, the Bible or tradition. I didn’t have an answer, and that stumped me. And when I dug for answers, I was even more stumped, and unsatisfied. This began a long journey of searching, prayer, and unexpected discoveries.

A journey which will culminate at Easter, and continue for the rest of my life, in an entirely new direction.

What I know now, I didn’t know then. I’m becoming Catholic because of what I’ve learned—and I’ve learned it, I believe, by grace of God.

St. Francis de Sales is a favourite saint of mine. In the 16th century, as the Reformation split apart the Christian Church in Europe he wrote, preached, and worked tirelessly to explain the Catholic faith, and bring Protestants back into the fold. He was incredibly successful and something in his mission of cordially explaining his faith resonates deeply with me.

To paraphrase St. Francis de Sales to the early Protestants: If you’d known what the Catholic Church really taught you’d never have left.

In my case, if I’d known what the Catholic Church really taught, I’d have become Catholic much sooner.

Catholics Don’t Worship Mary

The Catholic Church doesn’t teach the worship of Mary. Worship (and adoration) are for God alone.

As a Protestant I thought, for a long time, that Catholics worshipped Mary alongside her son, Jesus. There are plenty of churches named in her honoured, Catholics seemed obsessed with statues of the Virgin, and the Rosary, of all things, seemed to be nothing more than vain repetition of praise for Jesus’s mother.

The reality, I’ve learned, is much different. Catholics don’t worship Mary but, because of her special role in salvation history, she is venerated. How is that different? In Catholic theology, which, remember, was the theology of the whole Christian Church for 1,500 years, we ask Mary to pray for us.

Like Mary’s request to Jesus at the wedding at Cana, Catholics believe that Mary has the ear of Jesus in a special way. This is also reflected in biblical typology—the same kind of exegesis that Jesus used to explain His role in salvation to the apostles on the road to Emmaus. In the same way I can ask my best friend—a living, breathing Christian—to pray for my intentions, the Catholic Church teaches that Mary can be asked for prayer in the same way. When Catholics say they pray, “to Mary,” they don’t mean that Mary will answer our prayers. When we “pray to” Mary, we ask for her to pray for us, to Christ.

Jesus answers all prayers. We ask Mary to pray on our behalf.

Catholics Don’t Worship the Saints

In the same way, the Catholic Church believes that holy men and women (more women than men, for the record) are, presently, in the presence of God. We call these people saints and, like the Virgin Mary, we can ask for their prayers.

As pictured in Revelation, the prayers of the saints gathered around the altar float up like incense before God. That’s why, since the very beginning of the Christian Church, there has been a strong belief in ability of the dead to pray for us—and the practice of us asking them for their prayers. This is why the earliest Christian Churches were built on sites where holy men and women were killed.

The beautiful theology of the Catholic Church says that the Church, as a body of believers, is made up of all past, present, and future Christians. We’re all one and the same and just because I pass away doesn’t mean I cease to be a part of that active body. The saints, as Christians, continue their role in the body, only now in the presence of God.

Jesus is Present in the Eucharist

For all the different Protestant branches and denominations I’ve learned that no one in Protestantism takes Jesus’s words more literally than the Catholic Church.

When Jesus said, “This is my body; this is my blood,” the Catholic Church—and the whole of Christianity for 1,500 years—takes Him at His word.

Incredibly, the Catholic theology of transubstantiation says that when the priest consecrates the elements (the bread and the wine) they become the actual body and blood of Jesus through a mysterious, miraculous process. The fact that we can’t see, touch, or taste these elements are real flesh and blood is part of the miracle.

This bold claim is backed up not only by a thousand and a half years of Church history but by solid exegesis of the gospels.

Jesus, from Bethlehem (which means “the house of bread”), who was laid into a manger (which is a feeding trough) when He was born is the actual manna from Heaven.

If I had known that I can actually receive Jesus in the Eucharist, I would’ve stormed the doors of my local Catholic Church a decade ago.

There’s Only One Mass

What strikes me as even more incredible is the Catholic theology of the act of the Eucharist itself: There’s only one.

Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross was once and for all, final, and this is something that all Protestants can get behind. The brilliant, beauty of the Mass and the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharistic elements is that it links us up with all of Christian history—past, present, and future.

Jesus only died once. When the priest prayers the Eucharistic Prayers and says, “This is my body; this is my blood,” we are, as a church community, reliving the Last Supper and Jesus’s death on the cross. We are linking up, together, with all of the other Christians who have ever, and will ever, celebrate the Eucharist. And we’re linking up with the saints, angels, the Virgin Mary, and God Himself in Heaven as we see this same celebration taking place in Revelation.

As a Catholic, then, when I go to Mass I am experiencing something universal: Jesus’s death re-presented before my eyes.

The Priest Acts as Jesus

In a similar way, I never understood the importance of the priest in Catholic theology. As a young Protestant the priest, like Mary and the saints, stood in the way of my personal relationship with Jesus. But I had it all wrong.

The priest, as understood by Catholic theology, acts as Christ. The priest is a stand-in, if you will.

In the Mass, the priests acts in the place of Jesus, as he consecrates the bread and the wine. In the blessing of people, in Baptism, in prayer, and in the healing of the sick the priest, based on the authority that Jesus gives His apostles in the New Testament, is acting in His place. Where Jesus is not tangibly, physically with us, the priest is here in His place.

In confession, the priest, based on the direct charge from Jesus, “whoever’s sins you forgive they are forgiven,” represents Christ in forgiving our sins for us.

We don’t have to imagine God among us: there He is.

God Gave Us a Real, Tangible Church

Perhaps the greatest, most incredible thing I’ve learned, and wish that I knew a long, long time ago, is that Jesus left us with a real, tangible Church.

As a Protestant, I thought of the Church as a non-physical, spiritual union of Christians all over the world. But this isn’t how Jesus meant it, I’m convinced. Because this isn’t the Church as conceived by the apostles, the fathers of the Church (who were taught by the apostles), and all Christians for more than fifteen hundred years.

As I become Catholic perhaps the greatest gift I’m to receive is union with a real, tangible Church founded by Christ.

A Church with bishops and priests who can trace their authority, historically, all the way back to the apostles. Authority that we see manifest in the New Testament as the ability to forgive sins, drive out demons, and define an understanding of doctrine. These authoritative charges, according to the Catholic Church, remain with today’s bishops and priests through Apostolic Succession.

That’s why when the priest says, “You’re forgiven,” he means it. Because Christ said he’d have that power.

Rather than having to “feel” or “know” it on our own, God gave us the beauty and the blessing of a physical, tangible Church to be His hands and feet on earth. I don’t need to pray and ask for God to give me a sense of His grace, although I certainly could, and do. But in the Eucharist, in confession, and in the knowledge that God gave us the Church, we can be certain of His grace. This, in my experience, has been the most powerful aspect of the Catholic Church—and something I wish I knew years ago.

The most beautiful gift that Jesus gave us, beyond His sacrificial offering, was the establishment of a Church to proclaim, celebrate, and safeguard truth.

There’s a lot—a lot!—I wish I’d known about the Catholic Church a long time ago. I would’ve become a Catholic. And, of course, now that I know I can’t help but do anything else. At Easter I’ll turn in a new direction, take a new path, but I suppose, really, it’s the path I’ve always been on: A slow road to Rome. But I’m finally getting there. My new orientation, then, will be to continue to explain and champion this incredible faith I’ve found. And to be a cordial Catholic.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; cordialcatholic; protestantbashing; willconvertforfood
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To: verga
Once again repeating a falsity will NEVER make it true. Thank you for expressing a completely uninformed opinion that is wrong.

Name one thing I said was incorrect that catholics do regarding Mary. All of those actions are done by catholics.

If you want to keep on believing that Mary is telling Jesus what to do, then you are believing a falsehood.

If you want to keep on believing that Mary is on the highest throne in Heaven, then you are believing a falsehood.

If you want to keep on believing that Mary never sinned in spite of what the Word teaches, then you are believing a falsehood.

41 posted on 03/20/2015 11:52:40 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: JohnT416
Why did the Catholic Church delete the 2nd Commandment received from God?

We didn't. There's actually about 14 separate commandments in the Decalogue; we just divide them up differently than you do.

And the Hebrew says "idol," not "carved image". God himself commanded "carved images" be used in the Jewish Temple -- the seraphim on the Ark of the Covenant and the 12 bulls holding up the "bronze sea" (laver). Look it up.

42 posted on 03/20/2015 11:53:57 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
>Rather, it is the Holy Spirit that plays a role in our salvation.<

Is there some kind of box in your theology that is big enough for Mary, and big enough for the Holy Spirit, but not big enough for both?

Then show where in the Bible that Mary has anything to do with our salvation.

To use your box analogy, the Holy Spirit belongs in the box....Mary doesn't. The Holy Spirit is given to us as a Helper and Advocate. Mary is not.

Catholics have taken one verse on John 2 out of context and have in part built this false theology of Mary's "role in our salvation."

Scripture quotes Mary, inspired by the Holy Spirit, saying, "All generations to come shall call me blessed."

Yes, and that's about as far as the Word goes on Mary. She was called blessed for what she did. Nothing more, nothing less.

What have you done today to make that prophecy true?

I make no claim on that. The Word has already stated it to be true. When I teach lessons on the birth of Christ, I note that Mary is called blessed. She was the mother of Christ and raised Him. After that, she has ZERO role in our salvation.

43 posted on 03/20/2015 11:58:18 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: JohnT416
Why did the Catholic Church delete the 2nd Commandment received from God? I guess they are smarter than God.

You provide no resource for this lie.

The truth, of course, is that the Catholic Church did not and could not change the Ten Commandments. Latin Catholics and Protestants simply list them differently. It is incredible that such a pernicious lie could be so easily spread and believed, especially since the truth could easily be determined by just looking into the matter. But the rumor lives.

Now, below are the ways in which Protestants and Roman Catholics enumerate the Commandments:

Most common Protestant listing:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Thou shalt not covet

Latin Catholic listing:

Thou shalt not have other gods besides Me
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember to keep holy the Lord’s day
Honor thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not murder
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods

So what the heck? What did happen to the commandment about graven images in the Catholic listing? Did the Church just "drop" a commandment?

Um, no. The Old Testament was around long before the time of the Apostles, and the Decalogue, which is found in three different places in the Bible (Exodus 20 and Exodous 34 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21), has not been changed by the Catholic Church. Chapter and verse divisions are a medieval invention, however, and numbering systems of the Ten Words (Commandments), the manner in which they are grouped, and the "short-hand" used for them, vary among various religious groups. Exodus 20 is the version most often referred to when one speaks of the Ten Commandments, so it will be our reference point here. Here's how the relevant portion of Exodus 20 reads:

 

2

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3

Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

4

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill. 1
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

So we have 16 verses and Ten Commandments (this we know because of Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13 which speak of the "Ten Words" of God). How to group these verses and Commands? Here's how different groups have handled this:   

 Verses Grouped Together

Counted as Commandment #

Jewish

Latin Catholic, Lutheran

Eastern Catholic, Orthodox, Most Protestant

1

2 (commandment to believe)

3, 4, 5, 6

3

2

3, 4, 5, 6

7

4, 5, 6

3

7

8, 9, 10, 11

7

4

8, 9, 10, 11

12

8, 9, 10, 11

5

12

13

12

6

13

14

13

7

14

15

14

8

15

16

15

9

16

17a (commandment against lust)

16

10

17

17b (commandment against greed)

17

When the Commandments are listed, they are often listed in short-hand form, such that, for ex., verses 8, 9, 10 and 11 concerning the Sabbath become simply "Remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy." Because Latin Catholics group 3, 4, 5 and 6 together as all pertaining to the concept "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me," we are accused of having "dropped" the commandment against idols. That Eastern Catholics list the Commandments differently never enters the equation for people who think this way; they are simply against those they probably call the "Romish popers" and that's that (I hope it doesn't bother them that Jews would accuse them of totally forgetting the First Commandment, or that Latin Catholics could accuse some Protestants of skipping lightly over the commandments against lust. And why don't the Protestants who have a problem with our numbering system go after the Lutherans for the same thing, anyway?).

Bottom line:


Footnote:
1 The Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate (the official Scripture of the Church), and the original Douay-Reims phrase the Fifth Word as "Thou shalt not murder"; later Douay-Reims versions, such as the Challoner, and the King James Bible, etc., phrase it as "Thou shalt not kill." "Thou shalt not murder," however, is the original intent and the meaning of the earliest texts. Catholics, of course, have 2,000 years of Church teaching and the Magisterium to interpret Scripture, and the meaning of the Fifth Commandment is that one is not to take innocent life. It doesn't entail pacifism, ignoring the needs of self-defense and justice, worrying about squashing bugs, etc.


Further Reading

The Catechism of the Catholic Church: Section on the Ten Commandments
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44 posted on 03/20/2015 11:59:35 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: ealgeone
Name one thing I said was incorrect that catholics do regarding Mary.

WORSHIP, We do not Worship her. Catholics Know that Mary is not God nor is she Divine.

45 posted on 03/20/2015 12:00:05 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: vladimir998

“When he brought thousands of the Protestants in the Geneva area to the Catholic faith they had been Protestants for 50 years or more. Many or most had never been Catholic.”

Then his quote about them having “left” the Catholic church still doesn’t make much sense.


46 posted on 03/20/2015 12:00:07 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ImaGraftedBranch; ealgeone
>>Well, that answers that one.<<

Who do you think you are kidding? All the prayers to Mary asking her to do specific things for them and dedicating ones life to Mary are online for anyone to see. The "we only ask her to pray for us" meme doesn't work any more.

And example.

My Queen, My Mother, I offer
myself entirely to thee.
And to show my devotion to thee,
I offer thee this day, my eyes,
my ears, my mouth, my heart,
my whole being without reserve.
Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession.
Amen.

Another.

We fly to thy patronage, O holy Mother of God;
Despise not our petitions in our necessities, but deliver
us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.
Amen.

Catholics have given what belongs to God alone to Mary. Trying to deceive to make people think they don't doesn't work any more.

47 posted on 03/20/2015 12:05:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga
>Name one thing I said was incorrect that catholics do regarding Mary.<

WORSHIP, We do not Worship her. Catholics Know that Mary is not God nor is she Divine.

Catholic actions and teachings say otherwise. You can redefine the word worship all you want....but what catholics do is worship Mary.

48 posted on 03/20/2015 12:07:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: verga; USS Alaska
Do you folks have those verses in your Bible?

Of course, we do, however, because almost all of them are dealing with persecution, they did not seem applicable. USSAlaska seemed to be implying the difficulty in learning Catholic teachings. Maybe I read something into his post that I shouldn't have but the thread was not dealing with persecution but with Catholic teachings.

49 posted on 03/20/2015 12:10:24 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: verga; ealgeone
Venerate - from Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari "to reverence, worship"

Catholics have been duped.

50 posted on 03/20/2015 12:11:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

51 posted on 03/20/2015 12:15:14 PM PDT by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval officer.)
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To: Gamecock

AKA worship!


52 posted on 03/20/2015 12:21:31 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ealgeone

Like I said Repeating a falsity will NEVER make it true.
You have been told the truth, to repeat your error is to bear false witness.


53 posted on 03/20/2015 12:32:00 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: CommerceComet

See that is the problem with the man made tradition of Sola Scriptura.


54 posted on 03/20/2015 12:33:15 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: CynicalBear

Bearing false witness, let me know how that works out for you.


55 posted on 03/20/2015 12:33:58 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: NYer

Good article.


56 posted on 03/20/2015 12:35:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Campion; JohnT416
>>And the Hebrew says "idol," not "carved image".<<

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image (פֶ֣֙סֶל֙ ׀ - pesel), or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Hebrew - פֶ֣֙סֶל֙ ׀ - pesel - Short Definition: image [http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6459.htm]

Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.


57 posted on 03/20/2015 12:41:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ealgeone
You can redefine the word worship all you want....but what catholics do is worship Mary.

No they don't, they venerate her ... look up the definition of venerate ...

Definition of VENERATE (from Websters Online) ...
... to offer honor or respect to (someone) as a divine power

Synonyms: adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship

So it clearly doesn't mean worship

... oh ...

Oh wait ... never mind ...

58 posted on 03/20/2015 12:42:37 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: verga
Venerate - from Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari "to reverence, worship"

Catholics have been duped.

59 posted on 03/20/2015 12:44:45 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: dartuser; ealgeone
>>No they don't, they venerate her ... look up the definition of venerate ...<<

One more time since you asked.

Venerate - from Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari "to reverence, worship"

Catholics have been duped.

60 posted on 03/20/2015 12:47:50 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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