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A Protestant "comes out" (the effects of sola scriptura)
Little Catholic Bubble ^ | March 19, 2015 | Leila

Posted on 03/20/2015 10:50:55 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 03/20/2015 10:50:55 AM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 03/20/2015 10:51:47 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
"Protestants are fellow Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and the Church is very clear on that."

Since when?

The blood of thousands of martyred Protestants begs to differ.

3 posted on 03/20/2015 10:53:08 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: NYer
Sola scriptura, which clearly is not supported by Scripture itself,

Like the trinity is not scriptural.

4 posted on 03/20/2015 10:55:07 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: fwdude

Ah, so the human mistakes of the past must be brought forward every time you even consider modern Catholicism and Protestantism. I believe that is known as ‘gunny-sacking’ in marriage counseling. ... And it is irrational to practice it in that venue, also.


5 posted on 03/20/2015 10:55:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Ah, so the human mistakes of the past must be brought forward every time you even consider modern Catholicism and Protestantism.

Don't forget the other option: Following Jesus Christ and Him alone and gathering with fellow believers of like mind and Spirit to worship God. Don't forget that option to "modern Catholicism and Protestantism".
6 posted on 03/20/2015 11:01:37 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: fwdude

“Since when?”

Since always.

“The blood of thousands of martyred Protestants begs to differ.”

Nope. None were martyred.


7 posted on 03/20/2015 11:18:04 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Nope. None were martyred.

(huh?)
8 posted on 03/20/2015 11:19:41 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: fwdude; NYer

“Protestants are fellow Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and the Church is very clear on that.”

“Since when? “

I think one of the popes in the last couple of hundred years may have said something like that and I think there are Protestants who believe in that.

It is time to put the 200 years of the Protestant-Catholic political-religious wars after Martin Luther posted his 95 theses behind us and focus on what unites us.

For this Protestant, I totally agree with the statement: “Protestants are fellow Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and the Church is very clear on that.” and consider that Catholics are fellow Christians.

And don’t forget that there were similarly thousands of martyred Catholics (under Henry VIII & Elizabeth I)

Our focus needs to be on the unity of all Christians, especially in light of the threat of radical Islamists like Al Quaeda, ISIS & Boko Harum.


9 posted on 03/20/2015 11:26:02 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Resettozero

Vladimir checked with Rome and they said no protestants were martyred. What’s left to discuss?


10 posted on 03/20/2015 11:26:24 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: NYer
The Roman Catholic understanding of Jesus prayer for unity reminds me of the old Star Trek episode "A Piece of the Action" ...

SPOCK: I fail to see why you do not understand us. You yourself have stated the need for unity of authority on this planet. We agree.
OXMYX: Yeah, but I got to be the unity.

What the RCC fails to understand, since its very inception, is that Paul outlines the definition of unity in Ephesians 4 ... and it deals with doctrine ... not some sort of mushy 'lets just set aside our differences and agree to work together for the gospel'

You cannot work together for the gospel if you do not have the same understanding of the what the gospel is or how that gospel is appropriated in a persons life.

There is no unity without truth ... and there is not enough truth in Rome for any Biblicist to embrace.

11 posted on 03/20/2015 11:36:16 AM PDT by dartuser
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RC is like a cult. If you want someone else to do all your thinking for you and to just follow along with what the leader says then by all means join the RCC. You will feel safe and secure in the knowledge that someone else knows it all and all you have to do is follow.

Now being in other Churches will force you to decide before God what you believe based upon your own search, your own study of the Bible, your own reliance upon the Holy Spirit. It will be harder, and yes it might be messier. Everyone may not agree with what you believe. But like Paul said there must be differences if the truth is to shine forth.

It is strange how Catholics quote the Bible when it supports what they want you to think and yet it is not completely authoritative and able to be trusted and relied upon when it doesn't. Then RCC tradition and a Pope trumps Scripture. When is it authoritative, only when it helps their arguments for what the RCC purports, but not when it disagrees with it?

12 posted on 03/20/2015 11:40:34 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Resettozero

None were martyred.


13 posted on 03/20/2015 11:45:24 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
None were martyred.

Okay. None claiming they were Protestants were martyred by RCC sanctioned killings. But many non-RCC Christians were.
14 posted on 03/20/2015 11:49:00 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: GreyFriar

AMEN and AMEM.


15 posted on 03/20/2015 11:50:15 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: fwdude
"Protestants are fellow Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and the Church is very clear on that." Since when?

The blood of thousands of martyred Protestants begs to differ. "

This comment is a textbook example of an argument that "proves too much".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_too_much

For if the atrocious behavior of Catholics to Protest and the atrocious behavior of Protestants to Catholics five hundred years ago proves that we are NOT brothers and sisters in Christ with those who are baptised and who believe in him, then the blood of Joan boacher, George van Paris, Jan Wielmacke, Hendrik Ter Woort, Matthew Hamont, John Lewes, Peter Cole, Francis Kett, Marmaduke Stephenson, William Robinson, Mary Dyer, William Leddra and thousands of other radical protestants executed by other less radical protestants would therefore suggest that Protestants today are not brothers and sisters in Christ with other Protestants today, which would be illogical.

16 posted on 03/20/2015 11:52:51 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: GreyFriar
And don’t forget that there were similarly thousands of martyred Catholics (under Henry VIII & Elizabeth I)

Yep. Murder is murder. Proves nothing.
17 posted on 03/20/2015 11:54:15 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Bellflower

“I think to be a Protestant, you have to be able to just say “it doesn’t make sense but that’s ok.”

She nailed it.
It has been said of Bible-Christians that they can only swim in the shallow waters of the theological debate. Take them to the deep end of the pool and they drown.
It is the Church that infallibly assembled the books in the Bible in the Synod of Rome in AD 382. The books did not fall from the skies and self assemble themselves. That infallible authority to decide what is the true Word of God did not evaporate ELEVEN centuries later with the curse of the Reformation. This what the brilliant essayist Hillaire Belloc says of Protestantism in his superb book “Great Heresies,” that “unlike other heresies, Protestantism spawned a cluster of heresies.”

The Church also carries with it the great oral traditions in its sacred liturgies and rituals. The written word of God did not disappear not the ether.

As John puts it in 21: 25

“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”

The “but’ her is important. It means do not rely exclusively on sola scriptura.

It nice to know that at least one Southern Baptist have finally come to her


18 posted on 03/20/2015 11:59:31 AM PDT by Steelfish
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It has been said of Bible-Christians that they can only swim in the shallow waters of the theological debate. Take them to the deep end of the pool and they drown.

...If you gang up and hold our heads under long enough.
19 posted on 03/20/2015 12:02:18 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: GreyFriar

More like 469 Years


20 posted on 03/20/2015 12:22:05 PM PDT by It Matters
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