Posted on 03/20/2015 10:50:55 AM PDT by NYer
Ping!
Since when?
The blood of thousands of martyred Protestants begs to differ.
Like the trinity is not scriptural.
Ah, so the human mistakes of the past must be brought forward every time you even consider modern Catholicism and Protestantism. I believe that is known as ‘gunny-sacking’ in marriage counseling. ... And it is irrational to practice it in that venue, also.
“Since when?”
Since always.
“The blood of thousands of martyred Protestants begs to differ.”
Nope. None were martyred.
“Protestants are fellow Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and the Church is very clear on that.”
“Since when? “
I think one of the popes in the last couple of hundred years may have said something like that and I think there are Protestants who believe in that.
It is time to put the 200 years of the Protestant-Catholic political-religious wars after Martin Luther posted his 95 theses behind us and focus on what unites us.
For this Protestant, I totally agree with the statement: “Protestants are fellow Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, and the Church is very clear on that.” and consider that Catholics are fellow Christians.
And don’t forget that there were similarly thousands of martyred Catholics (under Henry VIII & Elizabeth I)
Our focus needs to be on the unity of all Christians, especially in light of the threat of radical Islamists like Al Quaeda, ISIS & Boko Harum.
Vladimir checked with Rome and they said no protestants were martyred. What’s left to discuss?
SPOCK: I fail to see why you do not understand us. You yourself have stated the need for unity of authority on this planet. We agree.
OXMYX: Yeah, but I got to be the unity.
What the RCC fails to understand, since its very inception, is that Paul outlines the definition of unity in Ephesians 4 ... and it deals with doctrine ... not some sort of mushy 'lets just set aside our differences and agree to work together for the gospel'
You cannot work together for the gospel if you do not have the same understanding of the what the gospel is or how that gospel is appropriated in a persons life.
There is no unity without truth ... and there is not enough truth in Rome for any Biblicist to embrace.
Now being in other Churches will force you to decide before God what you believe based upon your own search, your own study of the Bible, your own reliance upon the Holy Spirit. It will be harder, and yes it might be messier. Everyone may not agree with what you believe. But like Paul said there must be differences if the truth is to shine forth.
It is strange how Catholics quote the Bible when it supports what they want you to think and yet it is not completely authoritative and able to be trusted and relied upon when it doesn't. Then RCC tradition and a Pope trumps Scripture. When is it authoritative, only when it helps their arguments for what the RCC purports, but not when it disagrees with it?
None were martyred.
AMEN and AMEM.
The blood of thousands of martyred Protestants begs to differ. "
This comment is a textbook example of an argument that "proves too much".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_too_much
For if the atrocious behavior of Catholics to Protest and the atrocious behavior of Protestants to Catholics five hundred years ago proves that we are NOT brothers and sisters in Christ with those who are baptised and who believe in him, then the blood of Joan boacher, George van Paris, Jan Wielmacke, Hendrik Ter Woort, Matthew Hamont, John Lewes, Peter Cole, Francis Kett, Marmaduke Stephenson, William Robinson, Mary Dyer, William Leddra and thousands of other radical protestants executed by other less radical protestants would therefore suggest that Protestants today are not brothers and sisters in Christ with other Protestants today, which would be illogical.
“I think to be a Protestant, you have to be able to just say “it doesn’t make sense but that’s ok.”
She nailed it.
It has been said of Bible-Christians that they can only swim in the shallow waters of the theological debate. Take them to the deep end of the pool and they drown.
It is the Church that infallibly assembled the books in the Bible in the Synod of Rome in AD 382. The books did not fall from the skies and self assemble themselves. That infallible authority to decide what is the true Word of God did not evaporate ELEVEN centuries later with the curse of the Reformation. This what the brilliant essayist Hillaire Belloc says of Protestantism in his superb book “Great Heresies,” that “unlike other heresies, Protestantism spawned a cluster of heresies.”
The Church also carries with it the great oral traditions in its sacred liturgies and rituals. The written word of God did not disappear not the ether.
As John puts it in 21: 25
“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”
The “but’ her is important. It means do not rely exclusively on sola scriptura.
It nice to know that at least one Southern Baptist have finally come to her
More like 469 Years
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