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Apologetics 101: Is "Once Saved, Always Saved" in the Bible?
Aleteia ^ | March 24, 2015 | JOHN MARTIGNONI

Posted on 03/24/2015 3:57:42 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Lee N. Field

We’re baaaaaaaaaad.


41 posted on 03/24/2015 4:55:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yes. The bible says in Romans 8: “16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

The Spirit deals with us, and the inner us knows it.

Also, Jesus said in Mt 7: “16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”


42 posted on 03/24/2015 4:56:38 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It -- Those Who Truly Support Our Troops Pray for Their Victory!)
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To: CA Conservative

He reigned with God..and talk about your guaranteed place in heaven and he fell..so OSAS talk is interesting. Yet satan was a being created by God for worship and we were created to love Him.


43 posted on 03/24/2015 4:56:49 PM PDT by Paul46360 (..)
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To: Lee N. Field
Amen!! I know me too well. If I can mess it up I will.

Luckily Jesus came to save sinners of whom I am chief.

44 posted on 03/24/2015 4:57:27 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

The word used there is sheol, in Hebrew reference to the grave. More modern translations render this as the depths. The KJV committee took it upon itself to use the more poetic, if less accurate, hell.


45 posted on 03/24/2015 4:58:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

“Luckily” ha! By divine design.


46 posted on 03/24/2015 4:58:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Paul46360

We are created to love a being that is fickle from the word go?


47 posted on 03/24/2015 5:00:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Paul46360

A devil’s point of view would be that it would not matter what you did, you could save yourself.

NOT, that God has the sovereign power to lock your salvation in.


48 posted on 03/24/2015 5:02:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling


I like to stir the pot. The above indicates you already have salvation, but many read it to earn salvation.

The fear and trembling part our society lacks and bears much reflection. Once save always saved tickles the ears and is not the whole truth.


49 posted on 03/24/2015 5:03:36 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

It’s not the whole STORY. It misunderstands what it means to be a child of God. As such, you will WANT to “work out your salvation” in the sense of bringing its effects forth through what you did. And it grows, it snowballs, until perfection in heaven.

A pastor I knew once said that every time he preached on the subject the congregation would get nauseated, because the verb used there is the same word that means to vomit. But you know what it’s like when you got something bad that makes you want to “work it out.” You are in the throne room until you do. In the case of God, you get something good instead.


50 posted on 03/24/2015 5:08:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: NYer

It is finished!

Well almost.


51 posted on 03/24/2015 5:08:37 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Resettozero
We’ve all heard of the strawman argument. This is a strawTHREAD.

Indeed. One might even go so far as to call it a wickerthread.

52 posted on 03/24/2015 5:09:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

wickerly wicked?


53 posted on 03/24/2015 5:13:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: NYer

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html

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A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).

Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).

Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38–39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28–29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5–6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home.
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54 posted on 03/24/2015 5:13:41 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: NYer

BFL


55 posted on 03/24/2015 5:14:18 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Raycpa

Not finished until the committee comes that tells you whether or not you are on the bus.


56 posted on 03/24/2015 5:15:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I think I saw some of this in ‘73 or ‘74, because of Britt Eckland. If I’m remembering the right movie, gave me the heebie-jeebies and was good for several nights’ wildest dreams.


57 posted on 03/24/2015 5:18:32 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: CA Conservative
You cannot lose your salvation accidentally, but you can still choose to walk away.

So "walking away" is what cause the Holy Spirit to 'vacate the premises?'

Where is de-regeneration taught in the Bible?

58 posted on 03/24/2015 5:18:46 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: NYer
The Rominist favorite chapter... John 6

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father�s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

59 posted on 03/24/2015 5:23:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Resettozero

No it is not.


60 posted on 03/24/2015 5:24:48 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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