[vladimir998]

"And you accused ME, a while back, of being poorly educated at public schools?" THEY HAVE NO WINE means THEY HAVE NO WINE. "You take notice of that, and ingnore the rest of that paragraph:" I ingnored (sic) nothing. "Did you even read this from my last post?" Would your last post cancel out your earlier errors? "You can assume that the wedding party was going to be horribly ashamed if they couldn’t find more wine and fast," All orthodox Christians "assume" this. And it is no assumption at all. Protestants know this as well. Are you completely unfamiliar with that fact? "and paint Mary as a heroine (your own words: **She interceded with Jesus.**)" Where did I say anything about her being a "heroine"? "But, you also prove me to be a prophet, in how you dodged the my main focus; just as predicted:" Oh, here we go where the anti-Catholic shows apparent poor understanding of the usage of prepositions: "You just couldn’t resist using the word ‘with’, as though she was nearly equal in the rescue of the wedding feast." So, if I said: "Yesterday, I interceded with a police officer to not give someone a ticket" you're claiming that means I am equal to the police officer. Mary interceded WITH Jesus because that's how English grammar works. The person you are going to to do something (i.e. to accomplish what you hope to get accomplished through your intercession) is the person you intercede WITH. Any dictionary can tell you: With: 2 a —used as a function word to indicate a participant in an action, transaction, or arrangement "(now, you’ll probably focus on what I just said, and ignore what follows)." Well, the problem is that your "main focus" is wrong because you apparently don't realize how the word WITH is correctly used. "And then more non-answer with this:“[John] 2:3-5 Here is an example of Mary’s gift of intercession. Even now, Mary continually speaks to her Son on our behalf and is our preeminent intercessor before Hid throne.” The point - which you missed - is that that quote is from the Orthodox Study Bible. The Eastern Orthodox believe in the intercession of Mary. "So, you basically ignored the last half of my post, using the leftist style; where they accuse conservatives of intolerance, while ignoring facts." And you apparently didn't know the proper use of the word WITH. I made no error. You did. "Have you asked Abraham, or Moses, or David, or the centurion, to intercede for you?" Abraham, Moses and David most definitely. I don't recall ever asking for the intercession of the centurion with the sick servant, but I certainly have asked St. Marcellus the martyred centurion. "If not, why not?" Again, we see that you were wrong. Your post was filled WITH error. Do I need to explain what WITH means?

[Zuriel]

**Would your last post cancel out your earlier errors?**

What errors? You found no errors.

The miracle at Cana shows that the Lord can answer prayer for the small things (like wine at a wedding, or putting dew on a fleece and the next night keeping the dew off), or the big things (like sparing Israel from God’s wrath, at the request of Moses, or raising Lazarus from the dead).

Speaking of Lazarus; by your choice of declaration, Martha interceded with Jesus to raise him up:

“Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.” Jn 11:21,22

So I’m guessing that you also pray to Martha.

**So, if I said: “Yesterday, I interceded with a police officer to not give someone a ticket” you’re claiming that means I am equal to the police officer.**

So, If you die tomorrow, and a police officer is planning on giving me a traffic ticket, are you saying that you can STILL help me out?

**Mary interceded WITH Jesus because that’s how English grammar works.**

And that’s one of the word power means to help build Mary up in importance. Did the centurion intercede with Jesus to heal his servant? Did Abraham intercede with God to spare Lot? Did Moses intercede with God to spare Israel from being consumed by God’s wrath?

To me, it is all under this category: Let your requests be made known unto God.

**The point - which you missed - is that that quote is from the Orthodox Study Bible. The Eastern Orthodox believe in the intercession of Mary.**

I guess I should have known that there are others that are just as confused as the RCs. But you guys are basically joined at the hip anyway, right?

If you, and whoever else (on this earth that you also ask to pray) want to call on someone other than God, so be it. Knock yourself out. It’s not scriptural, but that hasn’t stopped you in other ‘traditions’.