Posted on 04/04/2015 1:59:27 PM PDT by Steelfish
Just try to know what your church teaches.... The Church teaches that the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacrifice of the Cross are one and the same sacrifice. .... The mass is not a "thanksgiving" sacrifice" it is the re sacrifice of Christ where you eat the sacrificed body
The Unbloody Sacrifice by: The Rosary Team The Mass is often referred to as the Unbloody Sacrifice of Calvary. It is called such because during the Mass Jesus acts as both Victim and Sacrifice through the words and actions of the priest and is offered in an unbloody way to God the Father. This is taken directly from the Baltimore Catechism which states: " The Mass is the sacrifice of the New Law in which Christ, through the ministry of the priest, offers Himself to God in an unbloody manner under the appearances of bread and wine." The Catechism goes on to explain: "The Mass is the same sacrifice as the sacrifice of the cross because in the Mass the victim is the same, and the principal priest is the same, Jesus Christ."
The Mass is different from the Sacrifice of Calvary in the fact that Jesus is not physically crucified again because Jesus died once for the remission of sins and can die no more. The Mass simply "applies to us the merits and satisfaction of His death on the cross". (Baltimore Catechism)
Catholics MUST accept Trent
The Council of Trent infallibly decreed at Session 22: If anyone says that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God or that that which is to be offered is nothing else but what Christ has given us to eat let him be accursed Canon 1.
If anyone says that the sacrifice of the Mass is merely a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving or that it is a bare remembrance of the sacrifice completed on the cross but is not a propitiatory sacrifice or that it profits only him who receives and that it ought not to be offered on behalf of the living and the dead for sins, sufferings and satisfactions and other necessities let him be accursed Canon 3.
So according to Trent you would be cursed if you think it is a thanksgiving sacrifice...or a remembrance
Is there a reason you did not source the link(s) from which you copied those quotes, any particular reason ?
And no, I don't venerate anything on earth.
>>Moving right along, let's agree that "venerate" has a different range of meanings from "adore" in current English-language Christian usage.<<
Your joking right? The little girl adored her dad. He adored his daughter. The wife adored her husband. Weren't those children adorable at the Christmas program? Get the picture?
Read what I write before jumping to your own particular conclusions. I had not written about the sacrifice of the mass from the perspective of the priest, but from a penitent in the pews, who comes to the mass with nothing on his lips but Halleluyah and Psalm one hundred sixteen, so to speak. If it doesn't help, give it back.
I can't even imagine following those who have clearly added to or changed what the apostles taught.
Hey CB: this isn't a word game. This is
ecclesia, meet scripture Oh wait. They've already met.
And then Paul got a demotion.
Poor neglected mistreated Walrus mourns
his bucket.
But never mind that, for now.
Here's a soloist for the gang
Do you venerate the Bible as the Word of God?
When we get on our knees and pray to the tomb of the unknown soldier and dedicate our lives to the unknown soldier and ask the tomb to give us salvation and grace, is it still veneration to the tomb???
Philosophy is not bible...Just because some philosopher thought it up doesn't mean there's an ounce of truth to it...
What philosopher?
the author(s) of the Didache (written sometime between AD 50 and AD 110)
Ignatius of Antioch (ca. AD 35 - AD 110) early bishop of Antioch, was taught by St. John)
Since these people wrote things that do not line up with scripture and are contrary to scripture, why would you assume they are NOT the people the apostle Paul was referring to???
2Co 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
I won't address praying to or asking questions or favors from a tomb, since a tomb is an inanimate object and I suspect a person who did that might possibly be hallucinating. But in the full and formal sense, we should dedicate our lives to God only. Other secondary dedications can "fit in" under that, but none can replace our primary dedication, which is to God.
Get it?
But why even have a "secondary" or third or fourth, dedication to someone other than God?
It totally confuses the issue.
And just what kind of a "thanksgiving" sacrifice does a catholic offer that could possibly equal the cross??
The Apostle's Creed is not necessary for salvation.
It is primarily a propitiatory sacrifice. In the Mass, Jesus Christ is the high Priest, the sacrificial Lamb, and the Altar of sacrifice.
Anything that is contrary to --- that is, strictly ruled out by ---Scripture, is not part of Apostolic Tradition.
So even if you found something in, say, the Didache, which was strictly ruled out by Scripture (and I don't think you can, but I'm open to you trying) --- that erroneous item you found, would not be a part of Apostolic Tradition.
"When we get on our knees and pray to mary and dedicate our lives to mary and ask mary to give us salvation and grace, is it still veneration to mary?"
"When we get on our knees and pray to zeus and dedicate our lives to zeus and ask zeus to give us salvation and grace, is it still veneration to zeus?"
Now, instead of Zeus, substitute Satan.....see the difference. Would you say if someone were doing this they were venerating or worshipping Satan?
"When we get on our knees and pray to Jesus and dedicate our lives to Jesus and ask Jesus to give us salvation and grace, is it still veneration to Jesus?"
See the difference it makes when you change the name?
Mrs Don-o....shame on you! I've already shown you were there are false teachings in the Didache.
I really think catholics on this board don't think people pay attention to what they say.
I thought you of all catholics on this board were above this kind of thing.
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