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To: CynicalBear
What is contained in Sacred Tradition is not "another gospel." If that were so, any writings of Christians, from that day to this, could be termed "other gospels."

Infallible source? That would be the Church, because She has authority from God and the power from the Holy Spirit to settle disputes and establish true doctrines. And the infallible way we know that, is from infallible Holy Scripture.

"You are Peter; and upon this Rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. - Matt. 16:18

"The Church of the living God, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." - 1 Timothy 3:5

"If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Matthew 18:17

"However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come." John 16:13

"He that heareth you heareth Me, and he that despiseth you despiseth Me, and he that despiseth Me despiseth Him that sent Me.” -Luke 10:16

I've go a pretty good hunch that these will be ignored, minimized, and explained away by many; but there are, perhaps, lurkers, who can read Scripture with unclouded eyes and get the gist of it: for them I write.

As for you, my dear old CynicalBear, the Lord be with you.

820 posted on 04/14/2015 6:53:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>"He that heareth you heareth Me, and he that despiseth you despiseth Me, and he that despiseth Me despiseth Him that sent Me.” -Luke 10:16<<

Jesus was there talking to the "seventy-two others" that He appointed wasn't He. He was NOT talking to the original 12 apostles. It saddens me to see Catholics misuse scripture to try to usurp authority.

>>"However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come." John 16:13<<

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Once again the Catholic Church lies to people. The Holy Spirit is given to all true believers. That nicolaitan power grab by the Catholic Church is what God hates.

>>"If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Matthew 18:17<<

Unfortunately the Catholic Church has so corrupted the meaning of the word ekklesia that it's unrecognisable to what the true meaning is.

>>"The Church of the living God, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." - 1 Timothy 3:5<<

Pillars and foundations hold things up they don't create or make things up. If Catholics are so gullible as to take that phrase and somehow believe that the Catholic Church can create "truth" other than what is taught is scripture they will pay the price by partaking in the plagues the will come upon that "church".

>>"You are Peter; and upon this Rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. - Matt. 16:18<<

How often does it have to be shown that Peter is NOT who the ekklesia is built upon? The propensity for Catholics to give glory to man rather than to God is not going to turn out well for them.

You still haven't shown where what the Catholic Church teaches as "tradition" is what the apostles taught. We are left then to consider the Catholic Church accursed.

821 posted on 04/14/2015 7:23:06 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I've go a pretty good hunch that these will be ignored, minimized, and explained away by many; but there are, perhaps, lurkers, who can read Scripture with unclouded eyes and get the gist of it: for them I write.

That's a pretty wild statement...We have never ignored those scriptures or any others...And they have never been explained away...They have been cross-referenced with other scriptures to the full meaning comes to light...Which is never in favor of the catholic religion...

That's the Catholic tactic...Read little parts of verses ignoring the whole to get the gist of what the Catholic religion is trying to deceive you with...

Hopefully the lurkers will read the entire verse and the surrounding context and see that these scriptures have nothing to do with the Catholic religion...

857 posted on 04/14/2015 11:11:29 AM PDT by Iscool
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