Jesus was there talking to the "seventy-two others" that He appointed wasn't He. He was NOT talking to the original 12 apostles. It saddens me to see Catholics misuse scripture to try to usurp authority.
>>"However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come." John 16:13<<
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Once again the Catholic Church lies to people. The Holy Spirit is given to all true believers. That nicolaitan power grab by the Catholic Church is what God hates.
>>"If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Matthew 18:17<<
Unfortunately the Catholic Church has so corrupted the meaning of the word ekklesia that it's unrecognisable to what the true meaning is.
>>"The Church of the living God, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." - 1 Timothy 3:5<<
Pillars and foundations hold things up they don't create or make things up. If Catholics are so gullible as to take that phrase and somehow believe that the Catholic Church can create "truth" other than what is taught is scripture they will pay the price by partaking in the plagues the will come upon that "church".
>>"You are Peter; and upon this Rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. - Matt. 16:18<<
How often does it have to be shown that Peter is NOT who the ekklesia is built upon? The propensity for Catholics to give glory to man rather than to God is not going to turn out well for them.
You still haven't shown where what the Catholic Church teaches as "tradition" is what the apostles taught. We are left then to consider the Catholic Church accursed.
"Jesus was there (Luke 10:16) talking to the "seventy-two others" that He appointed wasn't He. He was NOT talking to the original 12 apostles.
Yes. Did I say anything different?
"The Holy Spirit is given to all true believers.(Acts 15:8)"
Yes. Did I say anything different? "All true believers" are also guarantors of doctrine in the Church. This is called the Sensus fidelium, "the sense of the faithful."
Nevertheless,there are different gifts for different people in the Church, because it fits many different members together in one Body, not like a bucket of identical zooplankton, but differentiated: so the members, though equal, are not identical. St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, Chapter 12, is rich with this beautiful teaching and rewards receptive reading: it's one of my favorites. Let me give you this section:
Now you are Christ’s body,I think it's pretty clear that there are manyy, diverse gifts, and the differently-gifted persons God has "appointed" in the Church to serve different functions.
and individually parts of it.
Some people God has appointed in the church to be,
first, apostles;
second, prophets;
third, teachers;
then, mighty deeds;
then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration,
and varieties of tongues.
Are all apostles?
Are all prophets?
Are all teachers?
Do all work mighty deeds?
Do all have gifts of healing?
Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?
>>"If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Matthew 18:17<<... Unfortunately the Catholic Church has so corrupted the meaning of the word ekklesia that it's unrecognisable to what the true meaning is.
Aha. So tell us: when you have a dispute with a believer---let's say you have a dispute with me --- where do YOU go with the disputant to get a ruling?
">>"The Church of the living God, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth." - 1 Timothy 3:5<<... Pillars and foundations hold things up they don't create or make things up.
True! Agreed!
>>"You are Peter; and upon this Rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. - Matt. 16:18<<... "How often does it have to be shown that Peter is NOT who the ekklesia is built upon?"
Sure, the Church is built on "Rock" because of Peter's FAITH. How often do you have to read that verse before you figure out there's a reason why Jesus renamed this guy "Rock"?
"You still haven't shown where what the Catholic Church teaches as "tradition" is what the apostles taught."
Since you won't listen to the Church --- not only in the sense of "Roman" as you say, but in the sense of "What all of Christendom believes" --- historic Christianity --- because you do not "venerate anything on this earth," including the evangelical fidelity, spiritual depth, and fearless love of God found in the early Fathers of the Church who transmitted the true Traditions --- you reflexively set aside all evidence.
I have never once seen you defend Tradition in any form, even though St. Paul wrote, "Stand firm and hold to the traditions you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." You don't don't defend or explain that except to explain it away.
This is just sad.
If you're willing to fairly explore the Tradition instead of preemptively kicking it to the curb, I would recommend the Fathers of the Church. Specifically: This is an introductory YouTube clip that will cost you just 4 minutes of your time:
Mike Aquilina on the early Church fathers --- just a first, thought-provoking taste.
I know you'll want more in-depth, so I recommend:
The Fathers of the Church by Mike Aquilina, and Jesus, the Apostles, and the Early Church by Pope Benedict XVI.
They're both available for under $10 at the link.
I hope you will find it enlightening and gratifying to explore YOUR faith-family tree. This is your family: let nobody be estranged.