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Presbyterian Church (USA): Evangelicals suddenly on the wrong side in gay marriage debate
Penn Live ^ | April 17, 2015 | Ivey DeJesus

Posted on 04/21/2015 8:30:11 AM PDT by Gamecock

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1 posted on 04/21/2015 8:30:11 AM PDT by Gamecock
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“I was surprised that they would go to such extreme actions.”

The pastor, is a best, naive.


2 posted on 04/21/2015 8:31:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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**Lowe, who subscribes to the traditional and biblical definition of marriage - that of being between a man and a woman - has been outspoken against his denomination's new direction.**

He'll be headed to the Gulag Gaylag soon enough.

3 posted on 04/21/2015 8:34:25 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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The Evangelicals have not changed their position.

So, if they are “suddenly on the wrong side” of the issue, it is because the “side” moved.


4 posted on 04/21/2015 8:35:09 AM PDT by WayneS (Barack Obama makes Neville Chamberlin look like George Patton.)
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To: Gamecock

We are *NOT* on the “wrong side” of the debate!

There is NOTHING to debate! Pandering to people’s delusions does nothing to improve their lives.

Our position is no longer the popular or prevailing one, but that does *NOT* make it the wrong one!


5 posted on 04/21/2015 8:36:01 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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Well, let's just cut through all of that crap:

"What sayeth the Word"?
That keeps it simple - what does God say about this?

6 posted on 04/21/2015 8:40:19 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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>> We are *NOT* on the “wrong side” of the debate!

Indeed, we are not.

“Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”

— The apostle Paul, from his letter to the Galatians


7 posted on 04/21/2015 8:42:28 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Gamecock

[[Presbyterian Church (USA): Evangelicals suddenly on the wrong side in gay marriage debate]]

Nonsense- TRUE Christians are NOT on the wrong side- Wolves in sheep’s clothing are the only ones supporting gay marriage


8 posted on 04/21/2015 8:43:03 AM PDT by Bob434
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I’d like to hear Carlisle Presbytery’s take on the subject, as I don’t trust reporters to get the story correct. But if the essentials are correct, dissolving a session is rather extreme.

I’ve given up on the PCUSA. I’ve been saying for the past ten years or so that it will soon be a mere rump of itself with most of its congregation dissolving their bonds with it. For what it is worth, I am a ruling elder in the PCUSA.


9 posted on 04/21/2015 8:43:50 AM PDT by bagman
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These people do not want God’s rule, they want rule by consensus, which is always the way evil inveigles.


10 posted on 04/21/2015 8:44:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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Englund-Krieger leading up to the ratification vote, he stressed that even if gay marriage was approved by the church, no pastor would be forced to go against his or her conviction and perform a gay marriage.

I.e., if you like your traditional beliefs, you can keep your traditional beliefs.... Same lie, same father.

11 posted on 04/21/2015 8:47:24 AM PDT by tbpiper
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Gods side is never the wrong side


12 posted on 04/21/2015 8:49:59 AM PDT by Mom MD
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PC USA members still saved by grace through faith?

That haven’t changed jesuses right?

Still the same jesus?


13 posted on 04/21/2015 8:50:43 AM PDT by delchiante
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We had to pay $9M to ‘buy’ our church property from PCUSA when we left to join ECO.


14 posted on 04/21/2015 8:56:52 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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One would think they would have learned from the UCC, the piskies, and the ELCA Lutherans. It was expressed long ago as an operating principle by the prescient Richard John Neuhaus: "Where orthodoxy is made optional it soon will be proscribed." It works for politics as well as religion. Once the bullies win, they remove the mask of tolerance and stomp the orthodox.
15 posted on 04/21/2015 9:01:10 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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There is always a remnant, just like in OT Israel.


16 posted on 04/21/2015 9:02:38 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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Do you think your church bullies are any different than the episcopalian bullies, who have done far worse to the traditionalists in their church? Take a look at www.virtueonline.org and see what has been done to their church by the usurpers.
17 posted on 04/21/2015 9:04:37 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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The Rev. Earl Bland says most Presbyterians are blind to a profound change in the denomination.

REALLY???

This "church " has been apostate for many many years..

They quietly accepted other "confessions"

De funding any investments in Israel, approvedofabortion , became "gay friendly", ordained gays, and became basically universalists..and no one noticed?? Really??

I have a beautiful "Christmas Card" PCUSA church 5 minutes from my house..when we moved here I hoped that they were one of the churches that were still reformed ... I went to a service.. ended up being a hymn service..so i went to a bible study.. led by the pastor ...I found out the people believed that Muslims and Buddhists would be saved...and they all talked about the home study of the book " A Short Course in Miracles"..(a new age book written by a Jew)...The PASTOR said his kids would rather read that than go to church...what a sad commentary

Last Sunday as I was driving to my church (45 min away) I saw a man I knows an elder at that PCUSA walking into church..I felt so sad for him... such deception

18 posted on 04/21/2015 9:10:21 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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As with all things liberal, he who controls the meaning of the words and memes controls the outcome of the debate. In this case who controls the determination of “wrong side”.

But also recall that liberals operate under the presumption of moral superiority. So, who gets to define what is moral or not?

God has already spoken quite adequately on the subject of sexual morality. Please read Revelation 22:15. Anyone who practices sexual immorality (as God defines it) will not be offered the free gift of eternal life. Any minister who says something different is misrepresenting God’s words.


19 posted on 04/21/2015 9:28:12 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Shouldn’t they be more concerned about being on God’s side?


20 posted on 04/21/2015 9:28:45 AM PDT by DaveyB (Live free or die!)
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