Posted on 06/09/2015 3:51:50 PM PDT by stockpirate
My questions pertain to the tribulation they are as follows:
1. If there is a rapture, does it happen before or after people start receiving the mark of the beast?
2. If before is there some event that happens prior to receiving the mark of the beast?
I'm not looking to debate if there is or isn't a rapture, just where in the progression of events people are forced to receive the mark of the beast and we move to a cashless world.
The 144,000 sealed Jews.
Right so to refuse the mark is a death sentence because you will not be able to purchase anything.
So you are of the mindset there is no rapture, we all go through it.
I often wonder if 250 teenage girls are executed for refusing Islam why should people here think God will not demand from them the same measure?
There are some who believe the antichrist will be muslim instead of European and some who believe the rapture will take place at the end of the Tribulation, but regardless, people will be forced to be marked at the midpoint, or 3 1/2 years.
I personally believe the rapture will happen before the Tribulation begins.
You might want to checkout Prophecy Watchers also, they have a website & TV program.
Look, while I am not a practicing Catholic, I remember in my Communion catechism classes that there are distinct differences between, I believe it`s called the imprimatur version and King James` version.
So which says what, and how? Seems this is open to interpretation just as the idea of 'being saved' is, I remember a Baptist co-worker saying he was saved no matter what he did, since he accepted Christ.
'So even if you murdered someone?' 'Sure thing, no matter what!' He assured me, I called bull on that! 'So a saved person can become a Satanist too?' He had no answer!
(And I mentioned it in a novel.)
The deer stand was one of Zack Tutweiler’s best thinking places. The rain had masked the sound of his climbing up the tree’s nailed-on steps and into the plywood box an hour before dawn. The blind’s roof sheltered him from the rain. For as long as seventeen-year-old Zack had been allowed to go hunting by himself, the blind had been a place he could go without be-ing hassled for choosing solitude. He brought home enough meat that no-body bitched about his disappearing with his compound bow into the forest. Now there was nobody left to bitch at him for anything. He was the last one still living at the end of Bear Trail Road, the last inhabitant of their refuge from the world.
The Tutweilers had hidden very well, but not well enough. The troubles of the world had sought them out in spite of their preparation, their camouflage and their faith. All the praying in the world had not prevented the flu from choking the life out of his twin sisters Becky and Annie last winter, the winter of the hurricane floods and the great earthquakes. Becky had died first and Annie a day later, both drowning in their own lung fluids. Zack and his family had prayed continuously, to no effect.
And praying hadn’t stopped the raging infection from killing his eleven-year-old brother Sammy last September. He’d gashed his knee with a hatchet while helping to trim the branches off their winter firewood. The most powerful antibiotics in their family medicine chest couldn’t stop that infection, and poor Sammy had died in horrible pain. Zack had helped teach Sam how to use the ax, but he had not taught him well enough. And now his little brother was buried in the cold ground forever.
After Sammy died, the praying had stopped, even Mom’s praying. This was some months after Mom had run out of her blue pills, the ones for her depression. These days when pills ran out, they ran out for good.
All along Mom had been waiting for the Rapture and praying for the Rapture, and in the end it was all for nothing. “We sure got the tribula-tion,” she’d often say, “But when, oh when, are we getting the blessed Rapture?” It wasn’t long after Sam died that she took the baby up to the bridge. “Rapturecide” is how Zack often thought of it.
Dad said she must have had an accident, probably baby Sarah had slipped and Mom had tried to save her, the river all swollen and running fast…but in his heart Zack had never believed this. He didn’t know if Dad believed it either, but he’d never challenged his father on the issue. It would have brought nothing but pain, and pain they already had to over-flowing. They found Mom stuck in the rushes along the bank, but they never did find little Sarah. Dad said it had to have been an accident, but even he didn’t sound convinced.
But Zack knew what had happened, in his mind he knew. It was Rap-turecide. He’d heard the term whispered at the swap market, at the cross-roads town of Walnut, Mississippi, a half-hour bike ride away. Sometimes whole families had gone that way, in their exhausted desperation challenging God to put up or shut up,
If all believers are taken via the rapture, who would be converting the non-believers?
Exactly right my friend.
Good luck on that! Why is it called our great hope then?
thx Travis McGee good to see you again
Just thought I’d kick them into the discussion, since I could just paste them in, ready-mix cement.
PLEASE! Pre-tribe, mid- tribe, post tribe is all TRIBULATION!
So you think the corp. church of America gets a pass on hard times? How will you know the true sheep from the goats?
So what happens to us poor Jews that follow Yeshua and stand ready for our second coming of our Messiah, Ben David. When it says we will be tried by fire the rapture is just a dream to get out of Dodge before the true test begins. Ask the poor believers in the rest of the world that are getting there heads cut off for faith in Yeshua.
There are the two witnesses at the Wailing Wall to start. But there will be many people who heard the Word yet did not believe until the rapture convinces them.
Somehow, 144,000 Jews turn to Jesus. They become world wide evangelists for the Savior. Many people think that only the Rapture of the Church could cause many Jews to turn to Jesus Christ...
Question: if the rapture is imminent and can happen at any time, why are there preconditions?
Our great hope is not the rapture. Our great hope is the messiah and the blood that he shed for the remission of sin on calvary. That is the single tenet of faith that puts us all together. Protestant, Catholic, Jew anybody who really understands the scripture.
Many believe the rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18
http://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html
Our test of prosperity in the western world may be worse than the test of confessing Christ or getting our head cut off. It is easy to follow Christ Jesus when bullets are flying and you are in danger of your life each day. How hard it is to follow Christ in a land of prosperity. That is why the warning of the 10 virgins is so relevant to us in the West...
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