The Tribulation, I have a couple for my FRiends.

VANITY ^ | 6/9/2015 | Stockpirate

[stockpirate]

My questions pertain to the tribulation they are as follows:

1. If there is a rapture, does it happen before or after people start receiving the mark of the beast?

2. If before is there some event that happens prior to receiving the mark of the beast?

I'm not looking to debate if there is or isn't a rapture, just where in the progression of events people are forced to receive the mark of the beast and we move to a cashless world.

[smokingfrog]

1. Rapture before the mark of the beast.
2. I believe the mark of the beast goes into effect sometime after the two witness are killed.

[smokingfrog]

http://www.soniclight.com/constable/notes/htm/NT/Revelation/toc.htm#c2316

[Blood of Tyrants]

1. If there is a rapture, does it happen before or after people start receiving the mark of the beast?

The mark of the beast will happen in the second half of the 7 years of tribulation.

2. If before is there some event that happens prior to receiving the mark of the beast?

All kinds of supernatural occurrences will happen before the second half of the tribulation. For one, the antichrist will receive a wound that will kill him. Then Satan will enter and reanimate the body giving the appearance of ressurection. Then the antichrist will defile the Temple.

[umgud]

Regardless of anything else, we are closer than folks believe to a cashless society. Lots of secular evidence this is nearly here.

[stockpirate]

So it happens after the rapture, the healthcare bill has a chip implant contained therein, VA passed a law that prevents the implant in citizens of VA.

The Bildeburger meeting is reported to be discussing creating a cashless economy, Apple and other phones are already equipped with the software to handle cash paying via the phone, already in use in some areas.

[Nervous Tick]

Nice study guide. Thanks!

[spacejunkie2001]

Why would a mark be needed if there are no believers left?

[stockpirate]

that we are, that we are

[C. Edmund Wright]

The order of events is not universally agreed upon, for a number of reasons, including the sort of unnatural chronologies of some parts of Daniel and Revelation.

Having said that, I think the preponderance of the evidence is for a pre tribulation rapture. That would indicate to me, and by that, I mean I would propose - not assume - that this means rapture pre mark of the beast.

[nomad]

Yeah, like that`s not a hacker`s dream waiting to happen!

[C. Edmund Wright]

This could explain the explosion of Americans living abroad....with or without renouncing citizenship.

[stockpirate]

exactly, some do not believe there is a rapture

[Blood of Tyrants]

The believers will all be converted since the rapture.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Uh no. Mark of the Beast is part of the falling away that will happen in the tribulation. You need to be willing and able to deny it. Why do you think everybody with a clue is moving to the rural areas and stocking up on food and ammo. There is no pre trib. Its all post trib and living through its going to be a beach.

[stockpirate]

If all the believers are taken away by the rapture who will witness to unbelievers?

[smokingfrog]

Some will be saved during the tribulation.

[metmom]

I see the rapture first, and then the anti-Christ trying to take control by imposing the mark.

However, on the off chance that I’m wrong about that, I’m not taking any mark any how. Nobody is chipping me or tattooing me.

[Travis McGee]

I twisted it around to "The Rupture" in a short story.

Natural laws learned over thousands of years were mocked, ridiculed, overturned, and even outlawed. Toward the end, homosexual drill sergeants prowled the barracks grooming receptive teenage recruits. Hey, we were told, it’s their business, and who are you to judge them? Later, they could get married in the post-interfaith worship center by a military spiritual advisor (“chapels” and “chaplains” having been purged from the lexicon for favoring the Christian faiths) and then move on to adopting children.

And finally, the last old-guard bunker to fall: the Boy Scouts, completing the cycle of government-approved sodomite corruption. For a century the Scouts were morally straight? According to whose definition of straight? So why shouldn’t adult homosexual Scout leaders share tents with teenagers in our brave new world? Don’t be a homophobe, we were told. Each child can make his or her own free choice about their gender identity, but now with helpful adult mentors to guide them along the formerly forbidden paths.

If it feels good, do it. Or have it done to you. Or even do it unto the little children. Tommy wants to become Tomasina before heading to kindergarten? Her brave new mommy agrees? A government-provided surgeon will perform the “gender reassignment” operation. And if kindergarten isn’t soon enough to put the kids on the unrepressed road to gender identification, then start them on Heather Has Two Mommies and Prince and Prince cartoon books in the government-subsidized day care centers.

Smiling experts assured us that we were merely throwing off the shackles of our repressed sexualities. Dissent is hate, and hate is not tolerated around here, mister, so shut up and get with the program. Well, I couldn’t get with the program, so I quit my public high school job. As a world history teacher, moving from a public school to a Christian academy (at less pay and fewer benefits) gave me a couple more years of insulation from the social wreckage cascading down.

I kept looking up for the big asteroid, but we didn’t need God to smite us from outer space. In the end, we smote ourselves with our hubris, believing that we were replacing God’s wisdom with our own. The proud decadence and in-your-face cultural perversions didn’t cause the Rupture, but they were surely flashing red signs warning that the end was near.

Click the pic to the full-text Free Republic thread.

[Jan_Sobieski]

In my many years as a Christian, the best book for Biblical Eschatology is "Footsteps of the Messiah" by Arnold Fructenbaum (Russian Israeli Messianic Jew who emigrated to the United States). It lays out a the chronological series of events that precede and happen during the tribulation "day of the Lord". He presents arguments for a Pre-Tribulation rapture

Another incredible book about the Rapture is "Harpazo" by James Jacob Prasch. He presents arguments for a mid-tribulation rapture.

Knowing what I know about the tribulation period, I hope Arnold Fructenbaum is right. However, I am hedging my bets on a mid-tribulation Rapture because of scriptures like 2 Thess 2 - "...that day will not come until there is a great falling away and the son of perdition be revealed". How do we know the "son of perdition"? Revelation 13, the number o his name 666.