Posted on 06/29/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Fascinating. Never heard of that term.
I do love to learn. Post much appreciated.
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Thank you for your diligence.
Corrections welcome, but I don’t think that the early church fathers had the Holy Bible as we know it today. The Holy Bible was a later development.
Again, corrections welcome.
The problem with a concept such as “Holy Tradition” is that it is not scripture and therefore not the inspired word of God.
So many people get these details wrong. Can't tell you how many times someone accuses us of believing that the Scriptures alone are the only authority and only source of knowledge for the Christian. Thanks for posting!
Yes.
It always best to stick to scripture and not read things into the Bible which are not there or make things up out of whole cloth.
One example: Mary ever virgin.
The Bible NEVER says anything like this. EVER. The Bible mentions:
1) That Mary was a virgin ONLY up to the time of her conception of Jesus. It NEVER goes any farther than that.
2)That Mary was married to Joseph.
3) That Jesus had brothers and sisters.
This doesn’t add up to someone who was a lifelong virgin to me.
And btw, the fact that Mary was married to Joseph, and that Jesus did have brothers and sisters takes nothing away from Mary and Joseph. The Lord commands us to be fruitful and multiply and Mary and Joseph did just that. Physical intimacy is in fact a gift from God given to all married couples. I see no reason why this gift would be denied to Mary and Joseph or our priests for that matter. There is nothing in the Bible supporting such a doctrine.
Or having to go through Mary to reach Yeshua. Yeshua said He was the only way to G-d through Him. There is no other mediator between G-d and Man other than Yeshua.
I'm sure that if all of us Protestants had a nickel for every time we had to correct someone's false idea of SS, we'd all be rich, rich, rich.
Again, thanks for the great post!
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They had the books of the Holy Bible, which all existed, but at first they weren’t all together in one volume. The various books of the Bible circulated among the churches in individual scrolls. In the second century the Codex (a modern book style) was invented, and within a couple of centuries they were putting all the books together in a codex.
Paul did! That is why he commanded Timothy to guard his doctrine in order to save himself and his hearers!
But how did they know which books? If we grant that the early church was competent in declaring which books were Scripture then it was equally competent in declaring what was Christian doctrine. And if the church in the first centuries was competent to do this then it is so today. Without the declaration of the church we would not know what were the books of the Bible in the first place.
I always get confused about the term “Church Fathers.” If that means the Apostles, they had only the “Old Testament,” they didn’t write anything themselves, except letters back and forth to each other. At some point four guys sat down and wrote what they remembered, plus Acts. Then somebody decided the letters and memoirs constituted “scripture.”
God said to Moses, “Write this down.” Jesus never said to anybody during his earthly sojourn, “Write this down.” It just seems kinda strange.
We still know not what we do.
Which is fine until they start trying to expel from Christendom those who have a different tradition, in which case they are no more justified in doing so than are Catholics.
Wow! Another great one! Thanks for all you do. I pray God opens the eyes of those deluded by Catholicism and all the other religions that rely on adding to the words of scripture.
Peter called Paul’s writings scripture. John was told what to write in Revelation. Add that to the consistent admonition by God (which includes Jesus) to write down what He told them just when do you think God changed His mind about writing it down?
The original church was catholic (universal), and, continuing the Jewish scriptural tradition, the authority of scripture was appealed to constantly, Matt. 22:29, for instance, Jesus said to the Sadducees, “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.”
Quite an oxymoron, the Papists use of the scripture against Protestants on this forum.
These are the same ones who burned Protestant martyrs at the stake, like William Tyndale, for the “crime” of trying to get the Bible to the common people.
These are the same ones who once had the Bible chained to their pulpits.
And the same ones who use the scripture against the scripture-first Protestants - or attempt to, they neither know the scriptures, nor the power of God - on this forum... on one hand, while denouncing sola scriptura on the other. Go figure. What hypocrites.
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