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Did the Early Church Fathers Believe in Sola Scriptura?
Reclaiming the Mind ^ | April 25,2015 | C Michael Patton

Posted on 06/29/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: detch
Your attack on Peter for the sake of defining the rock serves no useful purpose, in my mind, other than trying to use it as an anti-Catholic tool.

Sorry you feel this way...

Perhaps these Catholic Church Fathers will add some light to this heated reply...





As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

301 posted on 07/03/2015 4:39:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Mark17; terycarl; metmom; MHGinTN
>>MOST of Catholic teaching is biblical based, and we Prots AGREE with it.<<

I can't find any Catholic beliefs from scripture that have not been twisted in some way.

302 posted on 07/03/2015 11:06:40 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: detch

If you perceive what I wrote as an attack on Peter, then I have not been clear enough. I attack the notion that Peter is The Rock. Jesus sis not build an institution upon Peter and did not build a spiritual Church on Peter. Jesus has proven to my satisfaction through Scriptures that Jesus builds His Church. The institution is a man authored entity, with all the inherent blessings and flaws common to man-made institutions. BUT that is not to say God has not used the Catholic institution. He has most definitely.<p.

There is no denying that Jesus gave to Peter keys to ‘something’, which keys Peter used to open the ‘thing’ to Jews, at Pentecost, then Gentiles, in the house of Cornelius. In that sense we might say Peter opened the door tot he Church Jesus IS building, the Spiritual Church, the Church of The Grace of God in Christ, the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ. But that is not to conflate a man-made, flawed institution with the Spiritual Church ONLY God can manufacture because it is build by His Grace of God in Christ. In that sense defining The Rock is essential to preventing the conflation to run amok.


303 posted on 07/03/2015 11:35:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Elsie

Amen, old cow, AMEN!


304 posted on 07/03/2015 11:36:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Elsie; terycarl
MOST of Catholic teaching is biblical based, and we Prots AGREE with it.

Yes, much of catholic teaching is good. However, I don't agree with the catholic plan of salvation. If they don't have that right, what difference does it make about whatever else they may have right?

305 posted on 07/03/2015 3:35:28 PM PDT by Mark17 (Lonely people live in every city, men who face a dark and lonely grave. Lonely voices do I hear)
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To: Mark17

Good point!


306 posted on 07/04/2015 4:18:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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