The Gospel for Roman Catholics

Southern Baptist Midwestern Seminary For The Church ^ | June 14, 2015 | A.D. Robles

[MHGinTN]

Since your "ekklesia" has totally lost the thread of history and exists without continuity, [Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That's real continuity and has not changed one iota since Pentecost.] without visible succession, without recognized spokesmen, without authority, [These are accouterments of a physical institution, and The Bride of Christ is not a physical institution it is a spiritual entity] without a body of evidence, [Every person born from above evidences His Life in them or they are none of His] without a person or an organ or a body of members within it which can bind and loose, lock and unlock, render judgments, teach, govern, sanctify, or, frankly, do anything, I can't take it quite seriously. [The conflations needed to gather all those assertions together is beyond my desire to address today, but know this, The Chruich of Jesus Christ, The Bride of Christ, The Body of Christ is not a body made with hands, nor is it bound or loosed by men; only the opening to that Church of Jesus Christ is allowed to men, and that by speaking the Gospel not by striking or pouring or beading or wafering, because ONLY God can cleanse from all unrighteousness and put His Life in a human being. When Jesus said to his remaining disciples (in John 6) that the words he speaks are spirit and truth, He pointed to the operant methodology which God proved was His Way, evidenced when Peter preached words at Pentecost and in the house of Cornelius. Any 'yes but' will not change that evidence to no effect.]

[CynicalBear]

>>You have an anemic, minimalistic and ahistorical concept of what the "ekklesia" is.<<

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Catholics bragging about their great numbers does them little good.

>>Christ's Church exists in history, which means "stuff that actually happened."<<

And the Catholic Church did it's best to eliminate it. The persecution by the Catholic Church of those who wanted to rely on scripture alone is well documented and has been presented here often. The fantasy world that Catholics live in is simply denial.

[verga]

The correct saying is: If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate.

Science geeks will get it.

[verga]

But it won't matter to you. You will permit no common ground, no meeting of the minds, no solidarity - you will allow me no quarter in the Christian faith. The wall you put up will never let me join you in the garden of true belief in Our Savior.

This statement is true of the vast majority of the non-Catholics in this crowd.

[af_vet_1981]

Those of whom Paul wrote had already received and were possessing Their Salvation. The sanctification process is to what Paul referred, not their salvation to be obtained.

True, False, and you cannot logically claim the former were "not really saved" should they fall away and fail to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling.

The Apostle Paul used the words for to work out and salvation.

sótéria: deliverance, salvation

katergazomai: to work out

[MHGinTN]

You have freepmail.

[RnMomof7]

One wonders if Roman Catholics can understand scripture

work out your own salvation

Get it >?? It is ALREADY THEIR SALVATION ..HE DID NOT SAY WORK OUT TO EARN YOUR SALVATION OR WORK FINISH YOUR SALVATION

HE WAS WRITING TO THE SAVED

[RnMomof7]

That's exactly what I've been yammering on and on about. And the relationship that saves,is being incorporated" into Christ.

What does "incorporated into Christ mean??

[RnMomof7]

Actually, it's God who raises up Mary, not, in the first instance, the Church.

Ummm where doe it say He "raised her up"? He ordained her presence into the world.. He ordained that she should bear His Son...that says nothing about her..it says everything about the sovereignty of God and his faithfulness ....

Mark 3:34 …33Answering them, He said, "Who are My mother and My brothers?" 34Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! 35"For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."

[Mrs. Don-o]

A close reading ot he Magnificat would show many indications of God "raising up" Mary: "He who is mighty has done great things for me."

Mary was predestined to be the Mother of Our Savior, and everything she had, including her holiness, was a gift from Him "Who did great things for her."

There's no such thing as "personal merits" in some sense isolated from God. He certainly gives greater and gives less, as He wills. Jesus said of John the Baptist, "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Greater and lesser are both gifts.

Our Lord's remark about the "biological reductionism" of His Mother to womb and breasts, in no way reduces the honor she has as one who "heard the word of God and kept it." She heard it so well it entered her, and she got pregnant with God.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I'm iinvolved in a major writing project right now and haven't time to pull out every relevant chapter and verse of Scripture, but consider these few out of many:

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me." - Gal 2:20"

"He has given us great and precious promises; through them you may participate in the divine nature."

"In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others."

Vine and Branches.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I wasn’t referring to numbers.

[RnMomof7]

Our Lord's remark about the "biological reductionism" of His Mother to womb and breasts, in no way reduces the honor she has as one who "heard the word of God and kept it." She heard it so well it entered her, and she got pregnant with God.

No it raises the saved to His mothers level of love and honor

[MHGinTN]

It raises the saved to the level of His family.

[metmom]

Yes. Why do we have to obey Him?

To what end?

I want YOUR perspective.

[RnMomof7]

I'm iinvolved in a major writing project right now and haven't time to pull out every relevant chapter and verse of Scripture, but consider these few out of many: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me." - Gal 2:20" "He has given us great and precious promises; through them you may participate in the divine nature." "In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Vine and Branches.

We do not become "incorporated " into Christ.. He indwells those that are His.. ...

"Christ in you the Hope of Glory"(Col 1:27)

Not sure where the idea of" incorporation " would be found ????

[metmom]

Have you cut off your hand or gouged out your eye lately?

[metmom]

The Divine Savior is not going to knock us out cold and drag us by the hair into Heaven to be loved.

He's not? Better check with Paul on that one.

Actually, you'd have been better off saying "saved" rather than "loved".

Because no one can stop God from loving us and working toward our salvation. The most God hating atheist or satanist is still the recipient of God's mercy, grace, and love, whether he's aware of it or not and whether he wants it or not.

But He will force no one to receive a place in heaven because for the sinner in the presence of a holy God, who is a consuming fire, it would seem like hell.

[metmom]

But it won't matter to you. You will permit no common ground, no meeting of the minds, no solidarity - you will allow me no quarter in the Christian faith. The wall you put up will never let me join you in the garden of true belief in Our Savior.

Oh, you're sure of that, are you?

[Mrs. Don-o]

???

Each of the quotes I gave you, deals with incorporation.

Maybe you're not familiar with the term itself, in which case it's the familiar problem of people having different theological vocabularies.

But you do know that Jesus was incorporated (incarnated) into the human race. In-corpore, in the body - He assumed a human nature, which means, he took it up and will always have this human nature (together with His divine nature.) This leads to the other half of this marvelous sharing by which we participate in His divine nature (as Peter says in one of his epistles.)

This is theosis, which is the purpose of human life.

Vine and branches.