The Gospel for Roman Catholics

Southern Baptist Midwestern Seminary For The Church ^ | June 14, 2015 | A.D. Robles

[CynicalBear]

>>So, in a flat rejection of what Scripture states someone asserts that Christ is in fact a respecter of persons and what Christ states one place is not addressed to all who hear Him.<<

John 17:9 "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;

[CynicalBear]

>>If God thought it necessary for salvation, would He not have had Jesus tell us so? Would not the Holy Spirit have inspired at least ONE of the NT writers to say something, anything about it?<<

The assumption of Mary as well.

[CynicalBear]

>>It's troubling, though, that the same crowd that cried out Hosanna to Jesus on Palm Sunday, five days later was yelling "Crucify him!"<<

Would you please show the scripture that says its "the same crowd'?

[CynicalBear]

>>That passage where Jesus talks about that is for during the tribulation period, which does not apply to church age saints.<<

It's impossible for anyone who denies the rapture to understand that statement.

[jobim]

As a Catholic much more is required of you. So, if what you said is true the Catholic Church would consider you not a Catholic. Or, you are not including all that you do and believe.

As I just posted to metmom, my prayerlife is an attempt to know God as fully and directly as possible.

But it won't matter to you. You will permit no common ground, no meeting of the minds, no solidarity - you will allow me no quarter in the Christian faith. The wall you put up will never let me join you in the garden of true belief in Our Savior. Your club won't let me in; I am banished. Dialogue? If even expressing how I pray, which I cannot believe differs greatly from how you pray (I pray with fellow Christians here in Hawaii, especially when we were fighting homosexual "marriage"), you will allow me no access, then what is the point of a discussion? Or deeper, a sharing?

[Mrs. Don-o]

It’s the Jerusalem crowd. I did not say there was a one-to-one individual correspondence.

[Resettozero]

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[Mrs. Don-o]

It’s the inhabitants of Jerusalem-— the Jerusalem crowd. I did not say there was a one-to-one individual correspondence.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I don't deny the Rapture. I'd say Mary was definitely Raptured. :o)

[CynicalBear]

>>The Divine Savior is not going to knock us out cold and drag us by the hair into Heaven to be loved.<<

Genesis 15:12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him.

The entire covenant with Abraham was after he was put to sleep. God enacted both sides of the covenant.

[CynicalBear]

>>That’s Acts 15:28.<<

What???? Acts 15:28 says nothing "about the babies killed in Bethlehem" or that "they are considered saints in heaven".

[CynicalBear]

>>You will permit no common ground, no meeting of the minds, no solidarity<<

Correct! There is no way we can have "common ground" as long as you ascribe to the apostasy of Catholicism.

[daniel1212]

I hope you understand my point. Holy Scriptures gives us God's account of God's movements among men. I take those, immerse in them, and commune with Our Lord and Savior based upon the truth imparted. It is absolutely direct. Do you deny that, because I am Catholic, I am unable to do this?

NO, as instead I encourage it, if you look to the sinless bodily resurrected Lord Jesus to save you on His account as a damned and destitute sinner, and then follow Him.

The problem is that for every RC who only talks about praying to the sinless Lord Jesus as their Savior there are a thousand more who talk about praying to the sinless bodily resurrected Mary of Catholicism to rescue/help them due to her merits.

[CynicalBear]

>>I did not say there was a one-to-one individual correspondence.<<

Here is your comment to which I was responding.

>>It's troubling, though, that the same crowd that cried out Hosanna to Jesus on Palm Sunday, five days later was yelling "Crucify him!" A person must persevere in the faith.<<

Are you now claiming that the part "A person must perservere" didn't mean that that "same crowd" had changed there response to Christ? Was in fact a different crowd?

[CynicalBear]

>>I'd say Mary was definitely Raptured. :o)<<

Prove it.

[MHGinTN]

Those of whom Paul wrote had already received and were possessing Their Salvation. The sanctification process is to what Paul referred, not their salvation to be obtained.

[CynicalBear]

>>The Church has the power from the Holy Spirit to teach in His Name--- and that has the support of Scripture.<<

False! First of all the ekklesia Christ was talking about is NOT the Catholic Church. Second, the ekklesia was to support and uphold truth and NOT create new supposed truth like the Catholic Church does. It's telling that you have no support from scripture for your comment about the babies in Bethlehem yet you make it as if it's fact. Not good.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"The entire covenant with Abraham was after he was put to sleep. God enacted both sides of the covenant."

My dear, this is not the same as the Divine Savior "knocking us out cold and dragging us by the hair into Heaven to be loved."

Genesis 15 says that Abraham brought the heifer, the she-goat, the ram, the turle-dove and the pigeon for sacrifice and split them in two, fulfilling the commandment of the Lord. (He did this willingly, not after being hypnotized, lobotomized or knocked out cold.)

Then, it says God put him in a "deep sleep" --- again, not that he was unconscious or bereft of his mind, his intelligence and will. Quite the opposite, Abraham can remember every part of what happened: this is not sleep in the sense of "unconscious," but sleep in the sense of a trance state in which he is fully aware.

You can hardly say that God makes covenants with no participation on the part of the covenant-partner, because this is disproved right in the text.

Chapter 17 describes the covenant of Circumcision, in which Abraham's obedient compliance is signified by his circumcising himself and all of the males of his progeny forever. As always, there is the requirement that he "keep" the covenant.

There's no proof that God is indifferent as to whether we "keep" the covenant or "keep" the commandments.

2 John 1:6
This is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You have an anemic, minimalistic and ahistorical concept of what the "ekklesia" is. We've already gone over that.

Since your "ekklesia" has totally lost the thread of history and exists without continuity, without visible succession, without recognized spokesmen, without authority, without a body of evidence, without a person or an organ or a body of members within it which can bind and loose, lock and unlock, render judgments, teach, govern, sanctify, or, frankly, do anything, I can't take it quite seriously.

Christ's Church exists in history, which means "stuff that actually happened."

[CynicalBear]

Didn't I tell you that Catholics attempt to give the credit to man at every turn and you denied it?

Man doesn't even seek after God until God puts a new heart in them. It's Christ who gives us understanding.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

It's God who puts a new heart in us and gives us the ability to Ezekiel 36:25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.

It's God who does it all. Stop trying to give credit to man.