Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Prots have a white wheat wafer, Catholics have the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity under the appearance of bread and wine...., See the difference???
Yeah, I knew that...gold would have been prettier...I forgot.
When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from his throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of men. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors; it is greater than that of saints and angels, grater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. The priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows his head in humble obedience to the priest's command.
Anything in that paragraph that you think is or might be unchristian? Aw, come on, you can say if there is.
I have no idea what a small number of priests who are homosexual have to do with anything....(homosexuality is not a sin)...but it figures that you would point them out.
The authority was given to them when Christ, at the Last Supper said " Do THIS (transubstantiation) in memory of Me.
OTH, you might be right in one sense. Just a few generations into the Promised Land and some ISraelites were making little snake statues to worship for empowerment. The King over them and the Prophet had to do some serious house cleaning over that idol worship thing. Doubtless there were little gold ones being made then, what with all the increase the Israelites got from taking the lands away from the Nephilim and Raphaem.
Hardly. Jesus is the High Priest. We have need of no other priesthood for He is alive forever more interceding for us in Heaven.
You'll find it in there somewhere, The Catholics gave you the FULL version to read, unlike....well, let's say.....others.
People on both sides of this fight have been the brunt of bad treatment. It’s not good, but it is to be expected. In post 236 you say the Gospel is that Jesus died for our sins according to the Scripture. One might think the resurrection was important to defining the Gospel as well, not to mention other important attributes of the Gospel proclaimed throughout Scripture.
But assuming we limit the Gospel to just your definition, I can say that in almost every thread I can think of that Gospel has been proclaimed. For example, as near as I can remember, every time we discuss the Eucharist, the evangelical apologist will assert that the Lord’s Supper is a holy remembrance of His death for us, for our sins. Your side prefers to build magnificent quasi-Aristotelian sand-castles around that simple Gospel truth, guarded at the drawbridge by a priesthood that has no basis in Scripture.
Let me ask you then, as you should know this: What was Christ’s attitude toward those during His earthly ministry who were “keeping guard” against the simple message of the Gospel as He presented it, faith in Him? Was He conciliatory? Or was He a barnstormer for the truth? Is He not our example?
But yes, I say all that, and it’s no excuse for petty sniping. I am with you in rejecting that. But please do not confuse our urgency to reject the false Gospel of Rome with any desire to fight for the sake of the fight.
When I get drawn into one of these things, it is always a mixed set of feelings. On the one hand, it turns my stomach. I hate fighting. I’d rather be singing praise songs. Preferable with someone else’s voice, as mine is hardly a singing voice at all.
One the other hand, I will testify that I have also learned a great deal in these conflicts. And I have come to moments of such deep appreciation of what God has done for me in Christ it has given me a blessing of praise and giving glory to God.
So I think if all you are seeing is bitterness and acrimony, you may be missing some important aspects of what goes on here.
Peace,
SR
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Then do that, Springfield.
The definition I used was an invitation to remember Paul's in 1 Co 15.
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
Thank you for your honesty. ... Don’t you get even a little twinge of ‘oh my! Christ the omnipotent God bows his head upon command from the Priest? that’s a bit over the top.’ Doesn’t that cause just at least a momentary pause?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Oops! Dagnabit, I fell for that old trick again!
This is the central point that gets missed too often. If a church is adding requirements to The Gospel they are teaching a different gospel. We are saved by Faith Alone.
**Faith Alone. **
Wasn’t it the word “Alone” that Luther added to the Bible?
Catholics did not add it.
As will I.
FWIW, these threads have strengthened my ability to witness to family and friends. Breaking down all the errors that people are indoctrinated with from a very young age is not easy.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, (9)not of works, lest anyone should boast.
I admit to being an old man. Can you show me one or two places in the Bible where the Gospel is proclaimed as ‘Believe in Whom God has sent, plus something? I have been looking and have yet to see a single place where the Gospel of Salvation by Grace through faith has any additions after it. even the advice to be baptized in the name of Jesus is not listed as an absolute requirement to be born from above, and it was Jesus who introduced that simple Gospel to Nicodemus. It was an essential in order to show the born from above was now a member of God’s family, but it was not an essential to be born from above into His family. Jesus even illustrated the principle with a scene that had no explanation in the entire Old Testament until Jesus referred Nicodemus to the brass snake lifted up in the Wilderness.
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