Posted on 07/07/2015 3:02:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. - Galatians 6:13, 14
Ideas have consequences. So does doctrine. That there are true Christians who trust the blood of Jesus Christ alone to make their garments white who worship in the Roman Catholic church is no less extraordinary for being true. They are the exception that proves the rule. They go against the grain of their entire doctrinal system and many Anglicans and Protestants across the centuries put their life at risk to recover Biblical doctrine, calling to those in the Roman bondage to repent and believe. Those who imply that Luther and Calvin and Knox were fools for doing so are ignorant of what Scripture and Rome teach, or they are opposed to the very idea that ideas have consequences and that it is the job of the Church to make disciples of all men, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything He commands.
But really, we do run into the most basic failures of logic in our blind world. Systems of doctrine which are heretical (of which Rome is our primary example, here) are generally held by those who align themselves with the churches who claim that system of doctrine. What a world we live in that we must say such an inane thing!
Which is to say, priests sacrifice Christ over and over again...
This is the primary duty of their ordination. They are priests, after all—not pastors—and they preside over the sacrifice of the Mass. This is contrary to the "once and done" teaching of Hebrews (e.g. Hebrews 7:27; 9:12, 28; 10:10).
Does it matter?
Luther and Calvin and Knox thought it does. And you? Or are generalizations so distasteful to you that you will never allow that any system of doctrine can be denounced as heretical, nor that any person who is a member of the communion holding to that system of doctrine can be expected to hold to that heresy and be in spiritual jeopardy because of their membership in that heretical communion?
Ideas have consequences. Doctrine has consequences. Rome has anathematized my faith and doctrine for over half a millenium, now, and they're right to do so if their dogma is what Scripture declares. So I reciprocate and anathematize their system of doctrine (as they have mine) because I know their system of doctrine is a fulsome denial of Romans and Galatians, for starters. But I don't stop there: I go on to the work of warning Roman Catholics to leave the dead to bury their dead, to turn away from the dead and enter Christ's true church where the doctrine of salvation has not been (and is not) corrupted by the systematic monetization of justification-not-by-faith-alone which is the heart of their error and which, tragically, their purported "ecumenical council" of Trent deposited permanently at the center of their church.
Do we really care for souls? Do we really love anyone? Do we really see deceptions and grieve over them, or are we simply committed to the laissez-faire spirituality Rodney King summarized best when he spoke for a decadent age, asking "Can't we all get along?"
The Apostle Paul writes the book of Galatians defending the doctrine of justification by faith alone and we respond, how? "Oh, Paul, there you go again getting on your high horse! Don't you know how many sincere and well-meaning Judaizers there are? And how can you know men's hearts? How harsh you are, Paul, telling them that, while they're at it, you wish they'd just go ahead and cut it all off. Grow up, Paul; are you a misanthrope? Take a chill pill, dude! I mean, really!"
Now you might resent my putting it this way, but in every discussion with weak and sentimental moderns we find that the exception to the rule is all that matters—never the rule.
Roman Catholicism is a heresy and its main heretical dogma is most clearly seen in the Tridentine documents which, according to church law, can never—may never—be repealed. Which is to say the magisterium is stuck down a mine shaft they can never escape without denying one more false doctrine which is the authority of church tradition.
And their false doctrine really does lead most of the souls under the care of those defending and teaching and preaching and practicing that false doctrine to Hell.
If all we ever feel compelled to say is that there are some people who are real Christians in the Roman Catholic Church and some parish priests who don't sodomize little boys, what have we said that anyone needs to hear?
Nothing—nothing at all. Everyone knows it and no one will argue with it.
Which really is why saying it is so very popular.
But what does a true Christian shepherd say to Rome and her subjects?
A true Christian shepherd says to Rome and her shepherds what the Apostle Paul says in Galatians: if you continue to trust your sacraments and good works to save you, there is no hope for you of eternal life.
We need to keep in mind the statement that we moderns are given over to the morbid habit of sacrificing the normal on the altar of the abnormal. Rome is blind masters leading their blind subjects further into their blindness. That is the norm with Rome and unkindness is not saying it, but failing to say it.
The abnormal is Roman priests and parishioners who reject Rome's heresies and truly believe in the work of Christ alone for their salvation; souls who trust in Jesus Christ and, therefore, love God and their neighbor. Faith working through love. But such souls are the exception to the rule and we must not focus on these abnormalities so we may not have to blow the trumpet warning of the normalities of the false doctrine Rome is steeped in to her neck.
Yes, the Presbyterians have fallible teachings, and male and female teachers.
Does the church have statues of the woman of revelation with eagle wings sitting in the wilderness ...?? Rev 12 :13-14
I do not know. I am more interested in how people obey or break the Messiah's commandments. All of us are being tried every single day.
Homosexuality, and being a homosexual, means that you are sexually attracted to a person of the same sex. Homosexuals state that they were born that way.....do you think that a 7 year old homosexual is a sinner?? an 11 year old?? perhaps a 14 year old??
Homosexuality is NOT A SIN unless acted on and then it's the action, not the proclivity, that is sinful.
I do not follow your train of thought. Are you aware certain Protestant derived denominations and sects call their leaders apostles ?
If Paul was an Apostle,
If ?
then his laying hands on some of the believers would convey the Apostleship, too?
The Apostle Paul did lay hands and appoint bishops and elders, who then also appointed other bishops and elders. The Apostle Peter bound that an apostolic replacement for Judas, who fell, must be chosen from among a select group of qualified men, and Matthias was chosen and numbered with the Apostles. There is an unbroken chain of apostolic succession by the laying on of hands from the Jewish Apostles to this day.
Indeed! xzins is one in a least a million!
Your post is outstanding, too.
I'm sick today and worse yet, trying to use this new laptop without a mouse. I forgot to buy one at Walmart today while I was waiting for my prescription. *sigh* I would have otherwise cut and pasted your last paragraph for sure!
I can't participate on our FReepathon thread without a mouse. :(
Please forgive me for this brief reply. I have read the linked replies from you, xzins; trisham and Salvation, while skipping past "those others."
God bless and keep you all.
I liked your jokes. FR’s RF has done more harm to the Christian cause bar only the Devil himself.
Not everyone could be considered for an apostleship according to Peter speaking to the gathering. Candidates needed 1. to have been with Jesus during the whole three years that Jesus was among them. That is, he 1a needed to be an eyewitness of Jesus’ baptism when the Heavenly Father validated Jesus’ person and work. He 2. needed to have heard Jesus’ life-changing teachings and been present to see His healings and other miracles. He 3. needed to have witnessed Jesus sacrifice Himself on the cross and 4.to have seen Jesus walk, talk, and eat among the disciples again after His resurrection. These were the pivotal facts of Jesus’ life, the heart of the message they were to teach, and personal witnesses were required to verify the truth of the good news.
http://www.gotquestions.org/apostleship.html#ixzz3fSA6fNbu
I don't think it was a minor infraction. BTW, my older sister told me that the priest in religion class, told them, that the sin of Adam and Eve was sexual in nature. They taught me correctly, that it was disobedience. My point is, some may think disobedience to be somewhat of a rather innocuous sin, that is not as bad as murder. God looks at it a different way. He sees how every little, tiny sin to be utterly hideous. I don't think God allows us to see it the way He does, or we might not ever be able to get out of bed, to face the day.
Unfortunately, that seeming innocuous sin (in some people's eyes, not God's eyes) will cause billions to suffer hellfire and brimstone. I don't intend to be one of them.
You have everything that I have to offer...eternal bliss, just don't eat from the tree of knowledge......and they did.
You are absolutely right on this. (this is truly scary, when I agree with you) 😀 At any rate, I have no clue why they did what they did. Only they could answer that question. I just wonder if Adam and Eve ever had a private moment, where they may have confided in each other, and admitted to each other that they really jumped the shark, and wished they had not done it? Who knows for sure.
On the other hand, lest we be so judgmental of Adam and Eve, if anyone of us had been there, we would have done exactly what they did.
Not one living bishop in ‘Peter’s church’ fits those requirements Peter set out. Perhaps that’s why the Apostles were hesitant to believe Paul even after word came from witnesses to his preaching Jesus is the Messiah in the synagogues came to them.
21 "Of the men therefore who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22beginning from the baptism of John, to the day that he was received up from us, of these one must become a witness with us of his resurrection." They put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. They prayed, and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two you have chosen to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place." They drew lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Acts1:2 ... until the day He was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles He had chosen.
Eph 4:10-11 10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) 11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ
Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The office of Jesus’s Apostles has only twelve. The word apostle means messenger, IIRC, so there can be a lot of apostles sharing The Gospel message. But there were only twelve original Jesus-chosen Apostles. Jesus didn’t choose Matthias, a lottery did. Jesus chose Saul of Tarsus and he became the twelfth chosen by Jesus for the foundations of the ‘city’. I reckon it is Paul who will be listed among the twelve names of Revelation.
A bear, who was a cynic, walks into a bar and says to the bartender, “I’ll have a pint of beer and…
…
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a packet of peanuts.”
The bartender asks, “Why the big pause?”
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. - Matthew 22:36-40
LOL!
see what I mean? Even my response to you was “removed.” hahaha. weak sauce.
Your post was removed because it blatantly violated the RF posting guidelines.
If you read the RM’s homepage, you will see that.
NOBODY is allowed to reference said person by name and have their post remain. It applies equally to both sides. There’s nothing nefarious or conspiratorial about it.
The RM is even handed about enforcing the RF guidelines. It’s easy. Don’t violate them and your posts will stay up.
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