Posted on 07/09/2015 9:33:36 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Catholics claim they got their doctrine of transubstantiation from Scripture that most Catholics claim their church wrote.
Why would we look somewhere else?
Who said anyone had any questions?
Every time someone talks about a non-practicing Catholic, that is your default answer, as if you can read their minds and know that the reason they’re where they are is because they have *questions* about ..... whatever.
Talk about presumption.
Catholic dogma isn’t scripture. It isn’t God’s word. It is man’s made up pagan religion. So while you would prefer Catholic dogma we prefer God’s word found in scripture.
While some *Protestants* post Scripture in color so as to distinguish it easily, so that it's clear what is Scripture and what are their own words.
I'm sure you've heard of the red letter version of the Bible.
Don't over analyze things and attribute motive without knowing for sure.
if you could only say that using fifteen paragraphs and vocabulary aimed at pumping up your ego as better than the rabble reading the posts! Can’t you get with the theme of obfuscating by pettifoggery? LOL
Did I miss the answer to if the “substance” is physical or spiritual
Would caps be better ?
So far, not one catholic has objected to any of the assertions found in the paragraph.
Do you not consider Mad Dawg’s response in post 176 to be an objection?
Amen. The Lord’s Supper is to be a memorial to Christ not a weird eating of a body and drinking of blood.
I saw it as an attempt to deny the writer was to be taken seriously. Catholics like to pic an choose which of their leadership should be taken seriously it seems. It was more a “take you eyes of that” type of comment.
It’s the culmination of when Jesus was talking about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. People were rather “put off”.
But then he explained it at the last supper. :-)
That’s OK.
Sometimes I copy someone to a post that I think they might be interested in seeing the reply to.
My policy is always that the first person in the *To* field is the respondee, and everyone else is a courtesy ping.
Actually, Jesus explained it in a moment to the ones who remained with Him. He told them ‘The flesh (eating it) profits nothing. It is the Spirit that gives life.’ I tried to address that in post #259, if you’re interested.
I have not sought to hide my true feelings about the RCC rites and religion. I have used scripture to show why RCC religion is ‘another religion’, a gospel different from what Jesus and the New Testament offer.
So far, having posted that paragraph to several catholics not one has had a single objection to the blasphemous assertions it makes.
Of course you would think it to be blasphemous; you reject the Doctrine of Transubstantiation. But keep in mind that Catholics do believe the doctrine. And an element of that belief is that it is Christ Himself, acting through the ministry of the priests, who offers this Eucharistic sacrifice. Because of this, the paragraph, while troublesome, is not nearly as objectionable to us as it is to you.
Just so we are clear on the Doctrine, here is the summary of the doctrine and a link to the Catechism. This is what we believe, in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen.
IN BRIEF
1406 Jesus said: “I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever;... he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and... abides in me, and I in him” (Jn 6:51, 54, 56).
1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.
1408 The Eucharistic celebration always includes: the proclamation of the Word of God; thanksgiving to God the Father for all his benefits, above all the gift of his Son; the consecration of bread and wine; and participation in the liturgical banquet by receiving the Lord’s body and blood. These elements constitute one single act of worship.
1409 The Eucharist is the memorial of Christ’s Passover, that is, of the work of salvation accomplished by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, a work made present by the liturgical action.
1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. And it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.
1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.
1412 The essential signs of the Eucharistic sacrament are wheat bread and grape wine, on which the blessing of the Holy Spirit is invoked and the priest pronounces the words of consecration spoken by Jesus during the Last Supper: “This is my body which will be given up for you.... This is the cup of my blood....”
1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651).
1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.
1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.
1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant’s union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.
1417 The Church warmly recommends that the faithful receive Holy Communion when they participate in the celebration of the Eucharist; she obliges them to do so at least once a year.
1418 Because Christ himself is present in the sacrament of the altar, he is to be honored with the worship of adoration. “To visit the Blessed Sacrament is... a proof of gratitude, an expression of love, and a duty of adoration toward Christ our Lord” (Paul VI, MF 66).
1419 Having passed from this world to the Father, Christ gives us in the Eucharist the pledge of glory with him. Participation in the Holy Sacrifice identifies us with his Heart, sustains our strength along the pilgrimage of this life, makes us long for eternal life, and unites us even now to the Church in heaven, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saints.
I appreciate your careful listing of the catechism paragraphs which support the pagan rite of drinking the Blood of The Christ. It does not change the Truth that such dogma contradicts God's command to never ever drink t he blood fo the creature for the Life Is in the blood. It also does not prove the catholic foolishness that one can obtain the life of God by drinking His blood, ether figuratively or literally. ONLY God's Spirit can put His life in the believer.
BTW, have you read the scene at Pentecost and the scene in the house of Cornelius, where the Holy Spirit of God came into those who were faithing in Jesus, without any catholic blood drinking ritual or bread-flesh eating ritual? There's something about the clarity in those passages that seems alien to catholic dogma. yet the RCC command that they have the Christian faith from the very beginning.
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