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What is the source of the Church’s authority?
http://catholicsay.com ^ | June 2, 2015

Posted on 07/26/2015 7:30:39 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: mitch5501

Amen brother!


81 posted on 07/27/2015 11:54:49 PM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ, the same today, yesterday, and forever!--Holy Bible Quote)
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To: NKP_Vet; Mom MD
Forgot that you’re a lot smarter than St. Augustine and all other doctors of the Church

Smart, IQ, intellectual, knowledge...and doctors of the (Catholic) Church...

Us saved born again Christians did seek the wisdom of God through the scriptures and now we are part of the Kingdom of God

Follow Jesus instead of "doctors"

Jesus didn't choose the learned scribes and Pharisees to be his disciples, but the simple folk who could receive his message.

Doctors of the Church...physician heal thyself!

"Forgot that you’re a lot smarter..." Well don't forget again!

82 posted on 07/28/2015 12:07:55 AM PDT by Syncro (Jesus Christ, the same today, yesterday, and forever!--Holy Bible Quote)
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To: Faith Presses On

Thanks for thinking of me.


83 posted on 07/28/2015 4:51:58 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: Syncro

We have a personal relationship with Jesus, not a religion and are quite content to abide in Christ.


Amen to that.


84 posted on 07/28/2015 5:03:29 AM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible don`t say it, don`t preach it to me.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Jesus:

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The Apostle Peter: Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

The name of JESUS,a person, not the name of Catholicism, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, or any other organization.

85 posted on 07/28/2015 6:05:27 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Syncro
Like I have said many times to my dear Catholic fellow posters here...I have no problem with you believing and following all that Catholicism teaches, but do NOT try to squish all that into the many born again believers here.

We have a personal relationship with Jesus, not a religion and are quite content to abide in Christ.

Preach it, brother.

86 posted on 07/28/2015 6:06:55 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

Petra = Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
True,


It is also true that Jesus said

Mathew 16
18 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

It is no secret that Jesus is the Rock, Peter was the first of the living stones which came from Christ ( the rock )

Peter may well have used the keys of the kingdom on the day of Pentecost when he stood up and gave the first sermon ever to the Christian church.

As Jesus is the high Priest Peter was the first of the spiritual holy priesthood.


87 posted on 07/28/2015 6:17:29 AM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible don`t say it, don`t preach it to me.)
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To: Syncro

....”No one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”.......( Pope Eugene IV, ex cathedra, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino (1441 AD).....

Well there it is yet again....

and certainly when they add...Canon 4 regarding the ‘sacrements given by the priests’.....

....that... (“If anyone shall say that the sacraments are not necessary for salvation, but are superfluous, and that, although all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them, through faith alone men obtain from God the grace of justification; let him be anathema.”)....

....then the ‘stronghold’ of catholicism keeps it’s membership in bondage.... So the cross is made of NO effect....what ‘they add’ does nullify the simple gospel because they believe they are saved through the sacraments and church membeership .... They do not trust that the cross that Christ died on can bring ‘full redemption in and of itself’... ... This is what Paul stated as a different gospel.


88 posted on 07/28/2015 6:51:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: ealgeone

Seems to me that’s why so often we hear when one is dying or close to death a Priest is called immediately to oversee and administer what they do.

I think it includes the Priest has the authority through this ritual to offer them forgiveness for all their ‘venial’ sins and even their mortal sins if they are unable to confess them but are truly sorry for them. Thus the Priest appears to stand in the place of Christ...for in reality only Christ can forgive sins.

Therefore to my understanding if the Priest isn’t present to do this they’re doomed.


89 posted on 07/28/2015 7:08:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: metmom

So sit in that recliner, watch Jimmy Swaggart and send him your money. Your front room is your church, just ask brotha Jimmy.


90 posted on 07/28/2015 7:59:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet; metmom

Actually, the early church did meet in homes.


91 posted on 07/28/2015 8:11:26 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

“For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them”
Matthew 18:20

“If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people.” 1 Corinthians 6:1

“If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.” Matthew 18:17

They didn’t sit in front of a TV watching Jimmy Swaggart tell them there is no need to get out of that chair, just keep on watching his program. Also no need to get baptised, just “believe”, and be “born again”.


92 posted on 07/28/2015 8:33:22 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Jimmy who?

Never watched him and never intend to.


93 posted on 07/28/2015 8:42:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NKP_Vet
They didn’t sit in front of a TV watching Jimmy Swaggart tell them there is no need to get out of that chair, just keep on watching his program. Also no need to get baptised, just “believe”, and be “born again”.

Did anything I posted say not to do these things??

The baptism doesn't save you. It is an expression of your new faith in following Christ.

"Church" can be wherever you are.

On the many retreats I've been on some of the best messages/bible study have been conducted.

Remember....big numbers mean nothing to God.

94 posted on 07/28/2015 8:44:21 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: caww

yep...confirms what others have said also.


95 posted on 07/28/2015 8:45:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: caww

“I think”

Please, not your opinion, but the facts.


96 posted on 07/28/2015 8:54:04 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ealgeone
The Holy spirit gave His approval of meeting in homes when He fell on them on the day of Pentecost while they were meeting in a HOUSE.

The apostles did not consider meeting in homes to be a problem either.

Here are some verses which show that from the early NT church.

Acts 2:2-4 "Suddenly there was a sound from heaven like a roaring of a mighty windstorm in the skies above them, and it filled the house where they were meeting." And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,

Acts 5:42 "And every day, in the Temple and in their homes, they continued to teach and preach this message: 'The Messiah you are looking for is Jesus.'"

Acts 20:20 "yet I never shrank from telling you the truth, either publicly or in your homes."

Romans 16:5 "Please give my greetings to the church that meets in their home."

Romans 16:5 Greet also the church in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in Asia.

1 Corinthians 16:19 The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with the church in their house, send you hearty greetings in the Lord.

Colossians 4:15 Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house.

Philemon 1:1-3 and Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house:

Nowhere does God tell us that we have to do *church* in a church building. Our only command is to not forsake meeting together. It NEVER specifies where.

On the contrary, since our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in us, where ever we are is *church*. We can worship God, serve Him, praise Him, pray to Him, tell others about Him, and operate in the gifts He's given us.

97 posted on 07/28/2015 9:00:27 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: caww

98 posted on 07/28/2015 9:01:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: caww

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/anointing-of-the-sick


99 posted on 07/28/2015 9:02:16 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; caww
Please, not your opinion, but the facts.

Then you provide them. You're the Catholics. If caww is wrong, the point it out with *the facts*.

100 posted on 07/28/2015 9:03:49 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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