Posted on 07/26/2015 7:30:39 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
No problem, easy mistake to make.
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.
http://biblehub.com/text/romans/9-33.htm
Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
http://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/2-8.htm
1 Peter 2:1-8 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.
As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense.”
“No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have sacraments, one can sing allulia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church.”
~ St. Augustine (354-430) Bishop and Doctor of the Church.
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
Except the one holy catholic apostolic church had faithfully copied and passed on the scriptures, century after century, you would have no Bible with which to accuse blessed Peter, night and day. We who love him know that blessed Peter is in the kingdom of heaven with the keys that the Messiah gave him, according to the scriptures.
Wrong is wrong no matter who says it. Its a good thing my salvation does not depend on your twisted theology. I am most definitely saved, and have not nor ever will be part of the RC church.
Catholics love the brethren. But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
John, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses twenty two to twenty six,
John, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verse twenty four,
~ St. Augustine (354-430) Bishop and Doctor of the Church.
You're saying that a mortally wounded soldier who accepts Christ as Savior and dies just seconds after his profession of faith is not saved??
He has not been baptized, had communion, anything other than he's professed faith in Christ.
Heaven or Hell?
What say you?
So again I ask:
You're saying that a mortally wounded soldier who accepts Christ as Savior and dies just seconds after his profession of faith is not saved??
He has not been baptized, had communion, anything other than he's professed faith in Christ.
Heaven or Hell?
What say you?
Based on NKPVet's post there are only two choices to pick from.
Heaven or Hell.
Pardon me. Forgot that you’re a lot smarter than St. Augustine and all other doctors of the Church, who by the way were all Catholic.
And on this Augustine was wrong.
What is your take on those ECFs who have differing conclusions than those cited by the rcc?
The soldier in question was born of water, at birth. In his profession of faiht in Christ he is born from above by the SPirit.
“No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have sacraments, one can sing allulia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church.”
What say you?
Luke 23:39-43
[39] One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!”
[40] But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? [41] We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
[42] Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”
[43] Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Small potatoes, NKP_Vet.
Don't forget this part:
All Human Creatures Are Subject to the PopePopes have more influence that a mere Bishop and Doctor of the Church, right?
Check these out to reinforce your quote that declares that all Christians outside the Catholic Church have no chance for salvation:
"The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is saved." Pope Innocent III, ex cathedra, Fourth Lateran Council (1215 AD)I especially like the part that says "no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic ChurchWe declare, say , define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” -Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (1302 AD)
“The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her… No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV, ex cathedra, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino (1441 AD)
There are thousands of martyrs for Jesus in the Kingdom of God right now, resting at the bosom of Jesus Christ, who would disagree with that statement. Reminds me of the shortest verse in the Bible, "Jesus wept"
More popesquotes [I coined a word, I hope that is not reported for bashing]:
"The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in Her and asserts that all who are outside of Her (The Catholic Church) will not be saved." Pope Saint Gregory the Great (590-604)Well, that pretty much proves it.“By heart we believe and by mouth confess the one Church, not of heretics but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church outside (The Catholic Church) which we believe that no one is saved.” Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, 18 December 1208
"Some say they are not bound by the doctrine which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing. Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian Faith. These and like errors, it is clear, have crept in among certain of our sons who are deceived by imprudent zeal for souls or by false science.” -Venerable Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis
You win NKP_Vet.
We must all be subject to the Catholic Pope and a member of the Catholic Church to be saved.
But then, there is this...
All of those "pontifications" pretty much write off many Bible passages, of which I will post one:
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved--Romans 10:9I certainly agree with this phrase from the last popequote: Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian Faith.
Like I have said many times to my dear Catholic fellow posters here...I have no problem with you believing and following all that Catholicism teaches, but do NOT try to squish all that into the many born again believers here.
We have a personal relationship with Jesus, not a religion and are quite content to abide in Christ.
Amen!
It’s so simple isn’t it?
Hence John 6:29
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