Posted on 07/28/2015 3:06:16 PM PDT by NYer
They are not banned from marriage. They can marry on the same basis as anybody else: if they find a consenting, eligible person of the opposite sex.
What?
On the other hand Benedict XVI in 2005 wrote that homosexuality was “a strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil,” and an “objective disorder.” The church documents say men with “deep-seated homosexual tendencies” should not become priests.
...So Pope Francis 'softened greatly' the churches position 'in the eyes of the homosexual community'....They saw a door opening by Pope Francis and touted so after he did so...a door they are going to barge right on through which we see now...and said as much.
How catholic ‘membership’ sees it isn't the deciding factor if the Magesterium determines otherwise. Vatican ll comes to mind.
Exactly.
Three paragraphs from the Catechism on Homosexuality
...that everybody should know.
Please refer to post 86...you are coming from the position of where a catholic member understands the churches position....that’s not how the gay community understood Francis’s statements...as well as some of the Bishops etc.
***”Hate the sin, love the sinner.”...Exactly.***
That’s not what Jesus said...he said... “Go and sin no more”...John 8:11
Anybody guilty of mortal sin (and deviant intercourse is a mortal sin) is ineligible from Holy Communion unless and until they repent and confess their sin in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
But the thing is, it is up to the sinner to realize they need to get to Confession. Noboy gives a polygraph test to the people coming up for Communion to find out if they have repented and confessed their sins.
It would do a whole lot of good, though, if we heard a whole lot more about this from the pulpit. I sent a long e-mail to a visiting priest just last week, begging him to address such topics from the pulpit. To his credit, he got right back to me and said he knew he should man up and do this.
I understand what you're getting at here, bu let me say I don't think it makes much difference whether it is genetic or not.
"Gay" or "straight," nobody's allowed to practice deviant intercourse.
"Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion."
So open, defiant,active gays are not eligible for Communion; but the question is, how does the priest, deacon or other person distributing Communion, know whether in a particular case all four elements referred to are simultaneously present:
The action must be a sin in the eyes of the Church, not merely something distasteful or irritating (e.g. an oddball who kinda sorta "acts gay" -- swishy, etc.)
The sinful action must be "seriously disruptive of ecclesiastical or moral order". Deviant intercourse certainly qualifies.
To be manifest, the sin must be known to a large part of the community, a condition not easily met in an anonymous urban parish. Public withholding of the Eucharist for little-known "unpublicized" sins, even grave sins, is not permitted under canon law.
I’ve stated nothing regarding gay marriage nor gay adoption neither where your church stands on those issues. The issue is how the gay community understood what Pope Francis said....which encouraged them further to “push” for more....thus the threads topic.
Now let me also say this....I do believe firmly that the mind of many homosexuals can no longer discern the things of God ore than talking the talk because as I see it their hearts have turned from God. So they will indeed take what the Pope might say and twist it to suite their agenda, and will obviously. Which is why I believe it’s a very tricky ground to walk in “giving” homosexuals encouragement by offering them anything other than forgiveness, should they seek it, and restoration with the church family. As with any grecious sin the idea is seeking restoration....
However that is not the direction the homosexual coummnity is taking with the church....they want their sexual preference deemed as a lifestyle...and their membership as no different then those who remain faithful to the Lord.....which they are not, by practicing homosexual behavior.
That just happened at a Catholic Church here in Louisiana. The priest presiding over a homosexual’s mother’s funeral denied Communion to said homosexual. The local media made a big deal out of it, and our wussie Archbishop publicly apologized to the homo, thereby throwing the priest under the bus for doing the right thing. I never give to the collection.
“There are those who have SSAD, but are celibate. I know a few.”
We have several in our parish, I think. All are active members of the parish and hard workers. All but one are celibate and receive the sacraments. The one fellow who has been with his partner for many’ many years, does not present himself for communion, does not make any public spectacle of his living arrangements and his partner has never been to church so far as I know. We also have a number of straight people who live in meritricious relationships. Priests over the years have barred them from communion and now they don’t presen themselves for the sacrament either. The rules apply to everyone.
Did you want to add something?
With regard to homosexuals, it doesn't mean they have an inborn tendency to sin, "unlike us". It means they have an inborn tendency to sin, just like the rest of us.
We need Jesus.
Remember all the lawsuits filed against all the priests of the Catholic Church?
Gee, all the Catholic priests were sued...? Every last one of them; who knew...?
A famous personage well known to those on this forum often says ‘words have meaning’...how true that is...
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