Posted on 07/28/2015 3:06:16 PM PDT by NYer
I don’t think that the Holy Bible provides other remedies. Corrections welcome.
Choose who you will serve.
It will be diocese by diocese, bishop by bishop, priest by priest (in my case by pastor).
Many will fall I fear. Many will not. But the push to keep a hold of the material possessions will lead many to just go along.
There are those who have SSAD, but are celibate. I know a few.
It is hard path for them, and one that is made much worse by well meaning people who encourage them to fall into sin and be “happy”.
If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Plenty of non-Catholic churches down the road will be happy to perform a ceremony for them.
“But that won’t change. It can’t change. Not gonna happen.”
“Elsewhere in the article, the reporter notes that the pope “has shown no indication that he intends to lead the church toward changing its teaching that gay people are ‘called to chastity’ and marriage is only for a man and a woman.” “
Just a few years ago, the leftists’ god-king said the same thing, but he and Michael “evolved”.
Michael’s husband is scheduled to leave the White Mosque soon.
The “pope” is in office for life.
“Not gonna happen”?
Interesting how the writer lumps those two sacraments together. Most Catholics are baptized as children, thus have not yet declared a sexual preference, so there is no impediment there. If they want to be baptized as adults, they need to declare acceptance and belief in the teachings of the Church. If they are living in an active homosexual relationship, they are already rejecting a major teaching of the Church, and the Church has every right to deny them Baptism.
Marriage, on the other hand, is a Sacrament, rooted in Scripture, and Natural Law, and is strictly between a man and a women. What the Church will have to do, and do it FAST, before any lawsuits are filed, is declare that she will no longer be the agent of ANY state ( not just the United States), and thus will reserve the Sacrament of Marriage for those who meet the requirements for the Sacrament, man-woman, and at least one practicing Catholic. I'm sure there will be those who will try to haul the Church into court for that, but I don't think a true religious practice can be violated by the government, under our Constitution.
This will also raise an interesting situation. There are probably older folks who may want to marry, but all the legal stuff, inheritance, etc, could be a nightmare. They could be married in the Church, and never bother getting married, in the civil sense. Thus, they can be married in their Faith, and won't have to worry about their Social Security or pension benefits being impacted by a civil marriage.
If they are unwilling to live according to the teachings of the Church, they shouldn't receive the Sacraments. Doesn't matter how they 'feel' about it. They aren't interested in living as Catholics, so why don't they go to an Episcopal church?
Precisely!
The Bittersweet Victory: Why Gay Marriage Still Isn't Marriage (the real end game defined)
Time ^ | 6/26/2011 (yes, 2011) | Howard Chua-Eoan
Posted on 6/26/2013, 6:08:36 PM by markomalley
(snip)
But in one very important way, gay marriage will not quite be marriage even in New York, even 30 days from now when the law goes into effect. That is because the psycho-sexual-financial-commercial-legal dramas that entangle the domestic lives of straight people often have another component: religion. And religious institutions have an exemption in the new law over accommodating gay people. It was key to the passage of the legislation.
Marriage without a church or temple wedding isn't the real thing. Why can some people have all the bells and whistles in the church of their choice but not me? Of course, there have been and will be congregations and churches that allow gay men and lesbians to be married in their midst and to bless those unions, recognizing that God loves them just as much as Governor Andrew Cuomo does. But some rich and influential religious institutions [NB: read this as the Catholic Church] are not only free to continue to reject gay men and women as equal beneficiaries of all aspects of faith but will now also rally their congregants to reject politicians who are willing to abide with this extension of secular civil rights — no matter how much acceptance there is of same-sex marriage elsewhere, no matter how many wedding announcements appear in the New York Times.
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
Well, if you’re right, and I’m not sure I disagree, then homosexuality would amount to a mental illness, which can indeed be congenital (though certainly a mark of imperfection). There are tons of mental illnesses that make people want to do things that are in fact sinful, such as kleptomania, sex addiction (not saying sex is sinful, but that sexually addicted people will no doubt crave to satisfy that desire by any means, many of which will be sinful), sociopathy, etc. These (in some people) are manifestations of the imperfection we inherited from Adam. I seriously doubt that the Church excludes people with any of those tendencies, assuming that they’re doing their best to live their lives according to Bible moral standards. I’m aware of no other religion that excludes people based on tendencies rather than actions (though obviously it would be necessary for the person to acknowledge that the tendency is in fact something to fight against).
Did Jesus give sinners 'the boot'? No, he treated them as children of God, but told them to "go, and sin no more". The Catholic Church has always welcomed sinners, and preaches "hate the sin, but love the sinner", and for that, I'm glad, because I know I'm a sinner in need of redemption. Maybe not serious sin, but sin, nonetheless.
Unless we invite people to worship, how else will we reach them, and show them God's love? That doesn't mean we change our teachings, and we haven't done that, the US media hype about Pope Francis's comment notwithstanding. People are welcome to join the Church, but if they do, they will do it with the understanding that the Church will not change her teachings to make them feel comfortable in whatever sinful behavior they happen to engage.
Actually, a person who is attracted to have sex with someone of the same gender is still allowed to marry a person of the opposite sex. I’m pretty sure that given the history of the bunch of queens who were in the seminaries in the 70s and the havoc they wrecked that the seminaries are being very careful who they allow in now but having an attraction is not the same as somehow you’re born a certain way. I’m trying to change my speech and my granddaughter’s speech so that I don’t speak of “gay” people but of people who are sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. We all need to do that. Once we lost that narrative, it became a civil rights issue which it totally is not.
They'd have to do a lot of church-hopping before they'd hit anything they'd find offensive, I'll bet.
I’m not sure the classification “Catholic Jew” is so absurd. At least as far as one’s Jewry as an ancestral classification is concerned (”Jew” is both a racial and religious classification as far as I understand; this is why there are “Secular Jew’s” for example such people don’t practice the Jewish faith but are Jews by birth). So it can be for those who convert to Catholicism. Jews who are Catholic.
I’m not sure about a Bar Mitzvah I don’t know much about that ceremony, but it doesn’t seem to me to be anti-Catholic. As a cultural tradition it doesn’t seem to be contrary to Church teaching; I don’t know for sure though. Mother Miriam would know these answers best I suspect. http://www.catholic.com/profiles/mother-miriam-of-the-lamb-of-god
They want everything, including church, to be about them.
**Won’t be too much long before the true church goes underground just as was spoken of. Amazing we are living at such a time....I really didn’t expect it to be so apparent in my lifetime....but things have defiantly escalated.**
It is interesting, though it seems like the church is now thriving in Africa and South America. We’ll see how it all plays out.
Catholic hospitals will also close at that point, and they provide 15-20% of hospital services in America.
"On a visit to the Philippines in January, Pope Francis said that “the family is threatened by growing efforts” to “redefine the very institution of marriage,” the Times noted. He also criticized wealthy Western countries for imposing their ideas about gender on developing countries, calling it 'ideological colonization.'<
"A month later, he was quoted in a book saying that 'gender theory,' which holds that gender is a social construct, is one of the great modern dangers to humanity, like nuclear weapons.'"
While we're at it, here's my own not-updated and not- complete, but still pretty robust link list of the Pope speaking out in favor of traditional marriage morality and against gay marriage and radical "gender theory" over the past 6 months or so.
What, you haven't seen these in the mainstream media, either?
Ever wonder why?
LINKS:
Pope Francis Tells Couples To Wait Until Marriage To Have Sex
Pope Francis: Gender Theory Is a Threat to Society
Pope: Marriage between man and woman is threatened by gender ideology
Pope Francis: “Children have a ‘Right’ to a Mother and Father”
The Closed Door of Pope Francis (Speaks against abortion, divorce, and homosexuality)
Pope Francis: marriage inscribed in creation (Man/Woman)
Pope Francis and the family, the next step (pro-Traditional Family)
Pope Francis is starting to look a lot like Sarah Palin (Guardian UK dumps Francis)
A Letter to Pope Francis (Pope defends man-woman marriage)
Pope Rejects ‘So-Called Gender Theory’
Pope Rejected Gay French Diplomat as Ambassador to Holy See
Pope Francis 'refuses' gay French ambassador
Kasper is Not the 'Pope's Theologian,' Says Leading African Cardinal
Cardinal Burke Denies Rift With Pope, Warns of ‘Gay Agenda’ for Synod
Pope Rejects ‘So-Called Gender Theory’
Pope Rejected Gay French Diplomat as Ambassador to Holy See
Pope Francis 'refuses' gay French ambassador
Pope Francis condemns gender theory a third time: ‘The family is under attack’
Pope Francis defends church’s opposition to artificial contraception
Pope Francis Defends Human Nature Against Gender Radicals
Pope's Shocking Hitler Youth Comparison (Pope blasts gender theory)
Pope Francis: ‘The Choice To Not Have Children Is Selfish’
Pope declares couples who don’t want kids ‘selfish,’ says they are part of a ‘greedy generation’
Pope Francis on abortion: ‘Never, never does killing a person resolve a problem’
Bringing children into the world is never a ‘mistake’: Pope Francis
Don’t be afraid to have more children: Pope Francis
Pope Francis supports Slovak effort to ban gay ‘marriage’, adoption
Pope Francis Defends Human Nature Against Gender Radicals
Pope's Shocking Hitler Youth Comparison (Pope blasts gender theory)
Pope to Catholic couples: you can’t get married if you’re not open to children
Pope Francis praises Humanae Vitae, warns of attacks on family
Hogwash.
There is no need to call oneself a “gay” Catholic. Not to mention the fact that “gay” usually means actively homo.
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