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Posted on 08/12/2015 7:14:16 AM PDT by Salvation

Purgatory


The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031).

The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.

Two Judgments

When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be. At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5).

Augustine said, in The City of God, that "temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment" (21:13). It is between the particular and general judgments, then, that the soul is purified of the remaining consequences of sin: "I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper" (Luke 12:59).

Money, Money, Money

One argument anti-Catholics often use to attack purgatory is the idea that the Catholic Church makes money from promulgating the doctrine. Without purgatory, the claim asserts, the Church would go broke. Any number of anti-Catholic books claim the Church owes the majority of its wealth to this doctrine. But the numbers just don’t add up.

When a Catholic requests a memorial Mass for the dead—that is, a Mass said for the benefit of someone in purgatory—it is customary to give the parish priest a stipend, on the principles that the laborer is worth his hire (Luke 10:7) and that those who preside at the altar share the altar’s offerings (1 Cor. 9:13–14). In the United States, a stipend is commonly around five dollars; but the indigent do not have to pay anything. A few people, of course, freely offer more. This money goes to the parish priest, and priests are only allowed to receive one such stipend per day. No one gets rich on five dollars a day, and certainly not the Church, which does not receive the money anyway.

But look at what happens on a Sunday. There are often hundreds of people at Mass. In a crowded parish, there may be thousands. Many families and individuals deposit five dollars or more into the collection basket; others deposit less. A few give much more. A parish might have four or five or six Masses on a Sunday. The total from the Sunday collections far surpasses the paltry amount received from the memorial Masses.

A Catholic "Invention"?

Fundamentalists may be fond of saying the Catholic Church "invented" the doctrine of purgatory to make money, but they have difficulty saying just when. Most professional anti-Catholics—the ones who make their living attacking "Romanism"—seem to place the blame on Pope Gregory the Great, who reigned from A.D. 590–604.

But that hardly accounts for the request of Monica, mother of Augustine, who asked her son, in the fourth century, to remember her soul in his Masses. This would make no sense if she thought her soul would not benefit from prayers, as would be the case if she were in hell or in the full glory of heaven.

Nor does ascribing the doctrine to Gregory explain the graffiti in the catacombs, where Christians during the persecutions of the first three centuries recorded prayers for the dead. Indeed, some of the earliest Christian writings outside the New Testament, like the Acts of Paul and Thecla and the Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity (both written during the second century), refer to the Christian practice of praying for the dead. Such prayers would have been offered only if Christians believed in purgatory, even if they did not use that name for it. (See Catholic Answers’ Fathers Know Best tract The Existence of Purgatory for quotations from these and other early Christian sources.)

Why No Protests?

Whenever a date is set for the "invention" of purgatory, you can point to historical evidence to show the doctrine was in existence before that date. Besides, if at some point the doctrine was pulled out of a clerical hat, why does ecclesiastical history record no protest against it?

A study of the history of doctrines indicates that Christians in the first centuries were up in arms (sometimes quite literally) if anyone suggested the least change in beliefs. They were extremely conservative people who tested a doctrine’s truth by asking, Was this believed by our ancestors? Was it handed on from the apostles? Surely belief in purgatory would be considered a great change, if it had not been believed from the first—so where are the records of protests?

They don’t exist. There is no hint at all, in the oldest writings available to us (or in later ones, for that matter), that "true believers" in the immediate post-apostolic years spoke of purgatory as a novel doctrine. They must have understood that the oral teaching of the apostles, what Catholics call tradition, and the Bible not only failed to contradict the doctrine, but, in fact, confirmed it.

It is no wonder, then, that those who deny the existence of purgatory tend to touch upon only briefly the history of the belief. They prefer to claim that the Bible speaks only of heaven and hell. Wrong. It speaks plainly of a third condition, commonly called the limbo of the Fathers, where the just who had died before the redemption were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell.

Some have speculated that the limbo of the Fathers is the same as purgatory. This may or may not be the case. However, even if the limbo of the Fathers is not purgatory, its existence shows that a temporary, intermediate state is not contrary to Scripture. Look at it this way. If the limbo of the Fathers was purgatory, then this one verse directly teaches the existence of purgatory. If the limbo of the Fathers was a different temporary state, then the Bible at least says such a state can exist. It proves there can be more than just heaven and hell.

"Purgatory Not in Scripture"

Some Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved something, "The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are clearly taught in it. Likewise, Scripture teaches that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.

Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of purgatory. Rather, any change in the original teaching has taken place in the Protestant churches, which rejected a doctrine that had always been believed by Jews and Christians.

Why Go To Purgatory?

Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for "nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21:27). Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, "unclean." Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely.

Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that "Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is nothing to be added or done by man."

It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.

No Contradiction

The Fundamentalist resistance to the biblical doctrine of purgatory presumes there is a contradiction between Christ’s redeeming us on the cross and the process by which we are sanctified. There isn’t. And a Fundamentalist cannot say that suffering in the final stage of sanctification conflicts with the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement without saying that suffering in the early stages of sanctification also presents a similar conflict. The Fundamentalist has it backward: Our suffering in sanctification does not take away from the cross. Rather, the cross produces our sanctification, which results in our suffering, because "[f]or the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness" (Heb. 12:11).

Nothing Unclean

Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely "covered," if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean.

Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that "nothing unclean shall enter heaven." From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us "to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit." Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive "for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."



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To: verga

I’m so glad you got to do that!


41 posted on 08/12/2015 1:54:47 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: verga

I’ve read more about purgatory in the past two weeks than probably most catholics.


42 posted on 08/12/2015 1:58:41 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Lets change the subject. What about Limbo?


43 posted on 08/12/2015 2:04:17 PM PDT by Old Yeller (B. Hussein Obama is leading this country like a lamb to its slaughter.)
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To: defconw

“an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that “Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. “?????

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins

Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment.

1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written: You shall be holy, for I am holy.

Luke 11:28
But he said: Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it.

I pray daily,for the Holy Souls in Purgatory. It is said there are no ungrateful Souls once they are released and in Heaven.They pray for those who helped with their prayers release them.

I know I will have to spend some time there.

Ephesians 1:4
As he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and unspotted in his sight in charity.

Mark 14:38
Watch ye, and pray that you enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Matthew 18:21-22
Then came Peter unto him and said: Lord, how often shall my brother offend against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith to him: I say not to thee, till seven times; but till seventy times seven times.


44 posted on 08/12/2015 3:02:54 PM PDT by Ductos Exemplo (John 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.)
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To: NYer

from the book “Warnings From Beyond”

To the Contemporary Church
[Confessions of Hell]
A literal text of the revelations made by the demons
Beelzebub, Judas Iscariot, Akabor, Allida, and Veroba
during a series of exorcisms’ from 1975 to 1978
A translation from the French, by Nancy Knowles Smith, of the book
‘Avertissements de l’Au’delà à l’Église Contemporaine – Aveux de l’Enfer’
by Jean Marty.
The revelations have also been published in German by Bonaventure Meyer in Switzerland.
Jean Marty’s book in French is available from ‘Les Editions Saint Raphael, 31 Ouest, rue King, Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada J IH INS.

E= Exorcist

A= Akabor, a fallen angel, from The Choir of Thrones

E: Continue, in the name of the Blessed Virgin, to say what she commands you to say!

A: It (the Passion of Christ) has to go on. People must suffer for each other, and offer up these sufferings in the name of the Cross of Christ and the sufferings of Christ. You must suffer in union with the Blessed Virgin and all the renunciations she endured during her life in order to unite her own sufferings with the terrible sufferings of Christ on the Cross and in His Agony in the Garden of Olives.

These sufferings were more terrible than men believe. In the Garden of Olives, Christ suffered in ways other than those that you perhaps know about. He was crushed by the Justice of God as if He had been the greatest of sinners, and as if He were going to have to go to Hell. He had to undergo this suffering for you men. Otherwise, you would not have been saved. He had to endure such terrible sufferings, that He was almost on the point of believing that He would go to Hell.[10]

His sufferings were so great that He felt Himself totally abandoned by the Heavenly Father. He sweated blood because He felt Himself totally separated from the Eternal Father and abandoned Him (he weeps piteously). He was crushed as if He were one of the greatest sinners.


45 posted on 08/12/2015 3:02:54 PM PDT by Ductos Exemplo (Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he)
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To: ealgeone
I’ve read more about purgatory in the past two weeks than probably most catholics.

I am glad that you made the conscious decision to do that. And remember when you join your parish RCIA program to swim the Tiber and become Catholic, you will have use to thank.

46 posted on 08/12/2015 4:08:20 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: Old Yeller; Salvation
Lets change the subject. What about Limbo?

Before I injured my back I was able to, but not so much lately.

Seriously here is an idea why not stick tot he original topic and start a different thread with that as the topic?

47 posted on 08/12/2015 4:10:06 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: Salvation
When we die, we undergo what is called the particular, or individual, judgment. Scripture says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Heb. 9:27). We are judged instantly and receive our reward, for good or ill. We know at once what our final destiny will be.

This verse refutes the notion of purgatory itself. We die once, then judgment. No purification process needed.

Christians already know their final destiny. It's not a wait and hope I've done the right things game.

John wrote extensively on this....as does all the NT when read in context. (all verses NASB)

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know you have eternal life.

John 3:15 that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

Paul also wrote about this in Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 and 2 Corinthians 1:22 when he notes we are sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians describes this sealing by the Holy Spirit as a down payment on our future inheritance. The word pledge in Ephesians conveys the meaning of ernest money.

I can find no place in the NT where it ever says the believer can either unseal himself or that God unseals him.

This is the security of the believer.

Those who reject this reject the Word itself.

At the end of time, when Jesus returns, there will come the general judgment to which the Bible refers, for example, in Matthew 25:31-32: "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." In this general judgment all our sins will be publicly revealed (Luke 12:2–5).

In the NT sheep always represent believers....goats unbelievers.

Romans 4:7-8 tells us all of our lawless deeds have been forgiven and our sins have been covered and these will not be taken into account by the Lord.

In none one of the above passages do we see mention of a soul in purgatory or limbo or a between state.

Christians are forgiven by the blood of Christ; our sins are covered by the blood of Christ.

There is nothing, repeat nothing, man can do to "clean himself" up after he dies.

Recall...Hebrews is directed primarily to a Jewish audience.

Hebrews 10:9-10 then He said, Behold, I have come to do Your will." He takes away the first in order to establish the second. By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Later in Hebrews 10:18....Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.One either has faith in Christ or one doesn't.

There's no in between.

48 posted on 08/12/2015 4:11:52 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Boogieman

That’s quite different than what you posted.


49 posted on 08/12/2015 4:52:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Not to me it isn’t.


50 posted on 08/13/2015 6:36:15 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ductos Exemplo
I believe in redemptive suffering. I remember Fr. Bob I think it was on EWTN, when he had that show where they would ask viewers questions on air. He said that Purgatory is either a suburb or Heaven or a suburb of Hell depending upon how one looks at it.
51 posted on 08/13/2015 8:02:59 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: Boogieman
The Scapular is not magic. But when one has a devotion to a particular spirituality it follows that one is keeping themselves as best they can away from sin. Thereby becoming more Holy. It is no different then wearing a Crucifix. It is a reminder to be Christlike.
52 posted on 08/13/2015 8:12:08 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: defconw
One must not think that a person who is suffering is not praying. He is offering up his sufferings to God, and many a time he is praying much more truly than one who goes away by himself and meditates his head off, and, if he has squeezed out a few tears, thinks that is prayer.

St. Teresa of Avila

53 posted on 08/13/2015 8:16:27 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Precisely, when things are not going well, I offer it up, but I try to see what God is trying to tell me. Being a hardheaded child I often don't learn on the first try.
54 posted on 08/13/2015 9:03:54 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: Salvation; defconw; NYer; nickcarraway; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; ...
From one of the most eloquent men the Good Lord ever created!
55 posted on 08/13/2015 10:33:21 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: fatima
Ping! :)

Sorry, it was a long list!

56 posted on 08/13/2015 10:59:16 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: Salvation; All
Many saints related incidents where souls appeared to them on earth- some suffering, and asking for prayers; some serving part of their Purgatory by their souls remaining to do what they neglected to do on earth, as with Padre Pio and the Sacristan in the choir loft; some who returned to say they were with God. The Almighty works in mysterious ways indeed. St. Thomas More prayed to suffer his Purgatory on earth (see prayer on my home page).

However He chooses, let us always remember the Holy Souls, that they may soon be purged and happy in Heaven- we are the instruments of God's Mercy when we do!!!
Those who don't believe, is it worth refusing if there is the minutest possibility of a simple prayer being of assistance to one of your dear ones- or even of one of your brethren you have not met?

May we all meet one day in Heaven!
G-d ♡ bless you!
Grateful ✟ ✡

57 posted on 08/13/2015 11:15:56 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Those who smile like nothing's wrong are fighting a battle you know nothing about. -Thomas More)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

“Purgatory is not in the bible in the KJV...”

Sure it is:

“I will use the 1611 King James Version of the Bible, a famous Protestant translation.”: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/the_bible_teaches_purgatory.pdf

Here’s something else about your KJV: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/kjvo.htm


58 posted on 08/13/2015 12:37:49 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Dude, it inst in the original Hebrew or Greek, period. Its not in the Bible, you can try and act like that’s what someone said or or a scholar interpreted it that way but its not there. It never has been. All you need is Christ(It is finished and he is the only way), period, anything else is blasphemy.

The KJV is better than your Catholic bible(and our best English translation from the originals), and your catholic catechism that states Catholics and Islam worship the same God.

Sorry I’ll pass on the pagan Catholic church with all its pagan symbols and rituals that are man made from the pagan Roman empire and not of the holy word. I’m done arguing this so, go kiss the pope ring, and bow to your statues, and have your little holy trinkets that mean nothing,(as Christ said its idolatry), and pray to people that isn’t Christ or God, and I’ll worship my way as a Baptist. Have a good day.


59 posted on 08/13/2015 1:44:16 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

“All you need is Christ(It is finished and he is the only way), period, anything else is blasphemy.”

So you don’t need grace?

Of course you’ll respond with something like, “Well, yes, you need grace. Christ gives us the grace we need to get to heaven.” And you would be right. The problem for you is that it is Christ and His grace that make Purgatory work.

The blasphemy is all yours.


60 posted on 08/13/2015 1:52:20 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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