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JOHN MacARTHUR: MANDATED BY GOD
http://www.catholicconvert.com ^ | August 25, 2005 | Steve Ray

Posted on 09/14/2015 3:18:13 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

JOHN MacARTHUR NEEDS TO TALK WITH ROSALIND MOSS.

Before she became a Catholic, staff apologist Rosalind Moss used to be a member of John MacArthur's congregation, Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. He runs a ministry called Grace to You. Its motto is "Unleashing God's Truth One Verse at a Time." The unleashing is done chiefly through a widely-syndicated radio program.

In a June letter to his ministry's supporters, MacArthur wrote about John Paul II and the "amazing release of emotion" that accompanied his death. "From politicians and media pundits to Hollywood celebrities and everyday citizens, everyone had praise for John Paul II, his gentle ways and his social and political achievements as a world leader and statesman. I can understand that.

"What I cannot understand," continued MacArthur, "is the response of some Evangelicals to what matters most about the pope: his beliefs about God and the gospel. … Influential leaders embraced the deceased pope as a brother in Christ and the Catholic church as just another Christian denomination. …

"During the Reformation, countless men and women died rather than deny the biblical truths of salvation. Countless others today are giving their lives as missionaries to people lost in the darkness and guilt of Catholicism."

MacArthur goes on to write about the "damning error" that is Catholicism and notes that he has released a new 90-minute lecture called "Unmasking the Pope and the Catholic System." He says that "the church I pastor is loaded with people who were saved out of the Catholic church. … A longtime Grace to You board member and dear friend of mine is a former Catholic. He speaks with great emotion about the bondage he and his wife lived under."

How many times have we heard these claims before? "The Catholic Church is not really Christian." "Catholics believe you 'earn' your salvation through good works." "Catholicism is based on guilt, not truth." "People are in 'bondage' to Catholicism–and we need to save them."

Each Sunday 7,000 people attend MacArthur's church. This is what he tells them about an institution that was around for nineteen centuries before he was born and that is now headed by a man who shows not a hint of MacArthur's arrogance. It is MacArthur who claims a divine commission: "I do have a mandate from God to compare what others teach to the gospel of the Bible." He says, "'Does the pope teach the gospel?' is a valid question."

Rosalind Moss left John MacArthur's church because she realized that, yes, the pope really does teach the gospel–and that John MacArthur does not.

The Grace to You ministry's letterhead has this slogan at the bottom: "The Bible Teaching of John MacArthur." Benedict XVI is more modest in his claims. His letterhead does not have at the bottom "The Bible Teaching of Benedict XVI" because the Pope is not trying to push his own agenda.

Instead, he is the custodian of what has been passed down through the centuries. His job is not to refashion the Bible in his own image but to convey to us what each of his predecessors conveyed to the people of their time.

Grace to You is built around one man. It may have many employees, but when John MacArthur dies, his ministry will die. His flock will scatter, taking with them the silly prejudices he has imbued them with.

When Benedict XVI dies there will be another pope to succeed him, and another, and another, until the end of time. Each of them will demonstrate to those with open minds and hearts that, yes, the pope does teach the gospel.


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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What you need is to quit following false prophets like MacArthur and actually start reading the Bible and studying the history of Christianity without blinders on. If you do you’ll end up a Catholic, just like untold countless protestant theology students have before you. Keep the blinders on and the only one that’ll suffer in the end if your eternal soul.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Be-Catholic-Tim-Staples/dp/1933919299

Tim Staples was raised in a Southern Baptist home in Virginia. Although he somewhat fell away from serious faith during his adolescent years, the preaching of several TV evangelists motivated Tim to give his life to Christ at the age of 18. Shortly thereafter Staples joined the Marine Corps to gain some much-needed discipline and get some help financing his college education. During his tour of duty he had the opportunity to participate in several Protestant ministries and bible studies. Before long, Tim enrolled in the Jimmy Swaggart Bible College and with an eye towards becoming an youth minister for the Assemblies of God, a Pentecostal denomination. However, during his final year in the Marines, Tim met a fellow soldier named Matt Dula who really challenged Tim to examine the Catholic Faith from a biblical and historical perspective. Tim’s friendship with Matt sparked a two-year search for the truth. Though Tim was determined to prove Catholicism wrong, he wound up studying and praying his way right into the Roman Catholic Church! After converting to Catholicism in 1988, Staples spent six years in formation for the priesthood. Tim began his journey towards ordination by earning a degree in philosophy from St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Overbrook, Pennsylvania. He then went on to study graduate theology for two additional years at Mount St. Mary s Seminary in Emmitsburg, Maryland. In 1994 Tim discerned through prayer and counsel that his calling was not to be a Catholic priest, but rather to be a lay Catholic apologist and evangelist. He has been hard at work ever since producing materials to help Catholics and non-Catholics alike understand the meaning and the biblical foundation of the Catholic faith.


61 posted on 09/15/2015 8:29:26 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet

“What you need is to quit following false prophets like MacArthur and actually start reading the Bible and studying the history of Christianity without blinders on. If you do you’ll end up a Catholic, just like untold countless protestant theology students have before you. Keep the blinders on and the only one that’ll suffer in the end if your eternal soul.”

I don’t follow him personally.

I was Catholic before Christ saved me.

Do you have eternal life now NK?

Being catholic doesn’t give you eternal life. Only entrusting yourself to his completed sacrifice apart from your dead works gives eternal life.


62 posted on 09/15/2015 8:39:34 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

J. Vernon McGee made me Catholic. In my opinion one of the greatest theologians of the 20th Century. I have his entire series on the Bible. I was also “saved” and “born again” when I was a baptist. But I did not have the fullness of the Christian faith, I do now, thanks to Church that Christ started, introduced to me by Dr. J. Vernon McGee.


63 posted on 09/15/2015 8:46:28 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet; aMorePerfectUnion
What you need is to quit following false prophets like MacArthur and actually start reading the Bible and studying the history of Christianity without blinders on. If you do you’ll end up a Catholic, just like untold countless protestant theology students have before you. Keep the blinders on and the only one that’ll suffer in the end if your eternal soul.

Almost comical if it weren't so sad.

Reading the Word will take you away from catholicism. If you do read the Word, and keep it in context, you will not find the following as espoused by Rome:

Immaculate Conception

Perpetual Virginity of Mary

Indulgences

Penance

The papacy

The priesthood

The Mass

The list can go on....but you get the idea.

64 posted on 09/15/2015 8:54:02 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NKP_Vet

NK
The “fullness of the faith” is always Christ.

Things added over thousands of years - including paganism - is a pollution of Christ’s sacrifice. It can never save.

And of course, maybe you thought you were saved, but never came to faith...


65 posted on 09/15/2015 9:01:53 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

The fullness of the faith is found in the Catholic Church, specifically the seven sacraments, instituted by Jesus Christ, with the Eucharist being the most important. The Eucharist, practiced by real Christians the world over, for 2,000 years, belittled by heretics for the last 500 years.


66 posted on 09/15/2015 9:15:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet

Sorry NK...

Christ instituted no sacramental system.
You’re back to syncretic paganism.


67 posted on 09/15/2015 9:19:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: NKP_Vet

“The fullness of the faith is found in the Catholic Church, specifically the seven sacraments, instituted by Jesus Christ, with the Eucharist being the most important. The Eucharist, practiced by real Christians the world over, for 2,000 years, belittled by heretics for the last 500 years.”

Sorry NK...

No Eucharist as your denominations nation teaches it before 100 ad.


68 posted on 09/15/2015 9:21:23 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Read the Bible. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.


69 posted on 09/15/2015 9:28:31 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet

For almost 40 years in multiple languages.

It ain’t there.

More importantly, if you die tonight, will you go directly to the presence of God for eternity?


70 posted on 09/15/2015 9:36:22 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: NKP_Vet
"Jesus and his God-breathed Word".

You mean the "Word" that the Catholic Church gave you? Or is there another?

Yes there is another. (I'm so glad you asked)

I have many times tried to guide Catholics to the Gospel of John for the salvation message.

It also can show you that the Word was given by God, not Catholics.

John 1,14 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You see where the Word came from? And Who gave it/Him to us?

Do you know that it was the Holy Spirit that gave us all of the scriptures?

That's what "God breathed" means. It's in the Bible, search for it if you wish to seek the Truth.

It is of no matter who it was who compiled and put together what we today call The Bible. They were simply hunters and gatherers.

For Catholicism to claim that they gave us the Word is pompous, prideful, arrogant and Pharisaical

The Pharisee and Tax Collector

9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Exalted or abased? Your choice.

Catholic or Christian, your choice.

I pray you will heed the word of the Holy Spirit inspired Word over false doctrine that exalts a denomination over Jesus Christ.

The meaning of my message to you will be clear if you sincerely pray asking the Holy Spirit to show you the truth as you read the whole Gospel of John.

71 posted on 09/15/2015 9:36:49 AM PDT by Syncro (...he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live--John 11:25)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Don’t bother me anymore with your heretical nonsense. I will consider it harrasment and you’ll be reported. Not wasting my time on a lost cause. Take it up with the Lord.”

I will continue posting on open threads, despite your inability to provide facts and evidence for your claims. Heck, I forgive you for your personal attacks every day. My prayer is that you will come to know him.


73 posted on 09/15/2015 9:39:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: NKP_Vet
Don’t bother me anymore with your heretical nonsense. I will consider it harrasment and you’ll be reported.

LOL, and earlier you were sooo brave.

74 posted on 09/15/2015 9:48:55 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Brave has nothing to do with it, just tired of talking to the wall. Don’t reply to this posting anymore and I certainly won’t.


75 posted on 09/15/2015 10:23:46 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet; aMorePerfectUnion
Read the Bible. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Just love it when catholics say to read the very Book they so readily subordinate to their "tradition".

Now, take your own advice and read John in its entirety. Take note of the imagery John uses to describe Christ.

Next, do a word search on believe.

Lastly, why did John tell us he wrote his Gospel?

What does it say about our salvation in that passage?

76 posted on 09/15/2015 10:25:28 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: NKP_Vet
Don’t bother me anymore with your heretical nonsense. I will consider it harrasment and you’ll be reported.

So, to whom are you going to report?

- The Bishop

- Since the Catholic cry has been that the mods here are against them, reporting to a heretical moderator?

- To the leader of the new world religion, Pope Francis?

- The defender of Orthodoxy Vladimir Putin?

If you're a guy, you've lost your mancard. If a KOC, turn in your sword.

78 posted on 09/15/2015 10:29:25 AM PDT by xone
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To: NKP_Vet

What shall we do that we may work the works of God?


79 posted on 09/15/2015 10:31:49 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: NKP_Vet

“My “personal relationship” with Jesus Christ? At each and every Mass during communion. You can’t much closer than that. Something Evangelicals make fun of, denying the Word of God. Christ is right, you’re wrong. End of story.”

Story doesn’t end until you prove your claims, but you can’t.

I pray for your soul friend. Will you spend eternity in the presence of God?


80 posted on 09/15/2015 10:37:06 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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